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[Piratis]

In 1960 what should have been done was to ask Cypriots to decide the future of their own country with a democratic referendum.

According to the UN resolution about decolonzation the available options for Cypriots should have been:
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

1) free association with an independent State
2) integration into an independent State
3) independence

Not only this option was not given to the Cypriot people but they were not even allowed to write their own constidution. In a few words Cyprus was never liberated. On the contrary the 1960 agreements were forced upon Greek Cypriots, actually they were forced upon Makarios (the Cypriot leader) since Cypriots themselves were not even asked if they approve those agreements or not.

Those agreements were unfair for Greek Cypriots in that they granted to the 18% of the TC minority 30% of governmental jobs, 40% of the police force, veto powers on many issues etc.

When the government was not able to fill the 30% of governmental positions with TCs, the TCS retaliated by using their veto power to block the budget from being approved and they did everything they could to create even more problems making the government impossible to function.

The TCs were trying to make the 1960 agreements collapse so they could achieve their partition dream.

This was the environment that forced some GCs to write the Akritas plan. Not to "annihilate TCs" or anything like that (I hope you read the plan itself to see that there is nothing like that in it) but to bring to Cyprus what was the right of Cypriots in the first place but was refused to them by the colonialists.

Therefore the conclusion is, as they say in a popular song "discrimination generates hate" and unfortunately in Cyprus since the time of the Ottomans Cypriots were discriminated based on high class Muslims and low class Christians.
GCs hoped that independence would finally mean that all Cypriots would be equal and that after the Turks running the island for 300 years, and after the British running the country for more than one century, that finally the island would be able to be run by its own citizens in a democratic way the way it happens in UK, France, Greece, Turkey, Sweeden, USA and all the other democratic countries in the whole world.

The insistence of some in racist discriminations and foreign rule of Cyprus is the Cyprus problem that will be solved when finally Cyprus becomes a normal democratic country like all the rest, without racist discriminations and foreign interventions.

If Cypriots are for once more forced to accept something unfair because it suits the interests of some outsiders (e.g Annan plan) that would not be the solution but only part of the problem and the circle of blood.

[Socrates]

Many people, not only Makarios Droushiotis, have stated openly and transparently that Papadopoulos is the author and vice leader of Akritas. Papadopoulos, who is known to sue people for nothing, has done nothing about it. Simply, all the tv stations and government controlled papers have banished Droushiotis from the face of the earth.

I have a book of Evdokas (he was an opponent of Makarios) and we must thank god for our situation. Back then everyone was speaking against the psychopath leader he was even killed.

Papadopoulos has also been accused of being "Defkalion" the person who gave the green light for the execution of leftists during the EOKA struggle, especially around 1957.

This is well known and from Akel members but they can easily forget about this criminal.

The families of these murdered innocent people are still pushing to clear their names for they still bear the brand of traitors to their countries. Papadopoulos has been authorising their elimination (especially in the Famagusta districk and the list includes boys and girls) and he was boasting about it in the magazine "Egertirion Salpisma" which anyone can read and admire our President.

There is no traitor between us. There is only psychopath stupid who see them.

They have destroyed us and they try to do the same thing again.

Even the EOKA B was not traitors but they were psychopaths all of this shit pieces are borne from the same illness.

In 1964, Papadopoulos referred specifically to the Akritas Plan when he sent a letter to the American Ambassador in Nicosia, warning him that if the Turkish Fleet approaches to within a certain distance from the shores of Cyprus, we would erase from the face of the earth the Turkish Cypriots. He says in his letter "we have the Plan and the means to do so".

I don’t know about this but I can easily believe it if i only take a view to his best friend Yiorkatzis.

Show me your friends to tell who you are.

While the above apologists try to found our rights he is totally forget what we was the legal government who supported un illegal organization the rest of this shit is just offered for laughing about the infinity of stupidity generally.

Now this matter belongs to science they must find the right pill for this illness.

[Bananiot]

Well Piratis, you will go to any length to rewrite our past, anything to suit your nationalist newly found self. Papadopoulos, by the way, has so far admitted publically at least to one mistake. At a speech about this time last year (Intercollege) he admitted that he was wrong to denounce the London Zurich agreements. Of course those agreements were condemned by the nationalists of both sides who only used them as a stepping stone to achieve enosis and partition respectively. We share a greater portion of the blame because we could have made it work, had we not succumbed to the sick nationalists that eventually ruined our country. We share a greater portion because we did our utmost to destroy what was given to us (you are right here but then EOKA were killing innocent 18 year old girls in Famagusta) when we should have been the guardian angels of the Constitution. Had we behaved properly, the vast majority of the Turkish Cypriots would have stood by our side and not throw themselves to the embrace of TMT who stepped in to protect them from the likes of Yiorgatzis and all the paramilitarists.

[Piratis]

Bananiot, in my above posts I simply described the environment that the Akrtitas plan was developed.

I never supported EOKA B and their actions and neither Papadopoulos has. EOKA B are now part of DISY, the party you support. Go to Grivas memorials and there you will find all the usual EOKA B DISY politicians honoring him.

What I said in my above post is that discrimination and injustice generate hate that results to even more problems. Cypriots should finally stop to be divided based on their ethnic background and fight each other.

This is why I have already proposed the only true solution to the Cyprus problem:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6622

Would YOU reject a solution based on the principles mentioned in that thread instead of an undemocratic "solution" based on separation, racist discrimination and human rights violations?

[Viewpoint]

Socrates

Kifeas sending me pm with abuse commnets and i don't rading them so if anyone whant to say something he can do it right here.

You are a brave individual, I applaud your truthfulness well done.

Kifeas belittles and insults everyone I wouldnt worry to much about it just keep your real identity hidden as he may pose a danger if continue to tell the truth.

[Piratis]

Socrates, you have just received congratulations from the Denctash/pseudo state representative of the forum. I am sure you would be proud for accomplishing your task Go to Turkey and Erdogan will give you a medallion of "bravery"

[Socrates]

The truth about the BB federation

When some politicians Kliridis Lissaridis and Evdokas were supporting the multi circuit federation, Makarios was insist what TC and GC can’t live together and he was made the need for the BBF.

I can bring more info about this subject if some one interested.

And this is the only true solution since is totally made by our stupidity.

That’s why no one dares to speak about a different type of solution to the UN or to Europe.

Akritas plan was formed under the stupid dictatorship of Makarios and it is very similar like the Miloyevic actions.

I’m not supporting Klirides and not the EOKA B fouls this is things for ill people like Piratis.

They think what by keeping this madness they will make the rest of the fouls innocent pussies.

All the supporters of this madman (Makarios) were also responsible for the situation and the Akritas and the rest illegal organizations ware also responsible like the EOKA B because they had destroyed every legality and every hope for a better future.

[Natty]

[quote]Not only this option was not given to the Cypriot people but they were not even allowed to write their own constidution. In a few words Cyprus was never liberated. On the contrary the 1960 agreements were forced upon Greek Cypriots, actually they were forced upon Makarios (the Cypriot leader) since Cypriots themselves were not even asked if they approve those agreements or not.

Those agreements were unfair for Greek Cypriots in that they granted to the 18% of the TC minority 30% of governmental jobs, 40% of the police force, veto powers on many issues etc.

When the government was not able to fill the 30% of governmental positions with TCs, the TCS retaliated by using their veto power to block the budget from being approved and they did everything they could to create even more problems making the government impossible to function.

The TCs were trying to make the 1960 agreements collapse so they could achieve their partition dream. [quote



The post carries on below, sorry the computer wouldn't let me quote two things for some reason.....me and computers, we just don't mix!!

[Natty]

[/quote]21. Whilst establishing an independent and sovereign Republic, the Constitution of Cyprus, "unique in its tortuous complexity and in the multiplicity of the safeguards that it provides for the principal minority, ... stands alone among the constitutions of the world" (S.A de Smith, The New Commonwealth and its Constitutions, London, 1964, p. 296). Therefore, it was no surprise that, within less than three years, abuse of safeguards by the Turkish Cypriot leadership led to total unworkability of the Constitution which necessitated the proposals for constitutional amendments submitted by the President of the Republic and which were immediately rejected by the Turkish Government and subsequently by the Turkish Cypriot community.


22. Turkey, in furtherance of its designs based on territorial aggrandizement, instigated the Turkish Cypriot leadership's resort to insurrection against the State, forced the Turkish Cypriot members of the executive, legislature, judiciary and civil service to withdraw from their posts and created military enclaves in Nicosia and other parts of the island. As a result of the foregoing and the intercommunal violence that ensued the Security Council of the United Nations was seized with the situation and by resolution 186 (1964) of 4 March 1964 a peacekeeping force was sent to Cyprus and a mediator appointed. In his report (S/6253-A/6017) the Mediator, Dr. Galo Plaza, criticized the 1960 legal framework and proposed necessary amendments which were again immediately rejected by Turkey, a fact which resulted in serious deterioration of the situation with constant threats by Turkey against the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Cyprus which necessitated a series of United Nations resolutions calling, inter alia, for respect of the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Cyprus.


23. The Secretary-General of the United Nations in 1965 described the policy of the Turkish Cypriot leaders in this way:


"The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to a rigid stand against any measures which might involve having members of the two communities live and work together, or which might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical separation of the communities as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots" (S/6426).


Despite this policy, a certain degree of normality gradually returned to Cyprus and by 1974, with the active encouragement of the Government, a large proportion of Turkish Cypriots were living and working alongside their Greek Cypriot fellow citizens.


24. Using as a pretext the coup d'état of 15 July 1974, instigated by the Greek military junta against the Cypriot Government, Turkey invaded the island on 20 July. Forty thousand Turkish troops landed on the island, in violation of the Charter of the United Nations, the Treaties of Guarantee and Alliance and the relevant principles and norms of international law. As a result approximately 37 per cent of the island remains occupied. Forty per cent of the Greek Cypriot population, representing 82 per cent of the population of the occupied area were forcibly expelled. Thousands of people, including civilians, were killed, wounded or ill-treated. Moreover, the whereabouts of hundreds of Greek Cypriots, including women and children and other civilians, many of whom were known to have been captured by the Turkish Army, are still unknown.
25. The Turkish occupation authorities resorted to a policy of systematic destruction of the cultural and religious heritage of Cyprus.[quote]



Hey, I don't really want to get involved in an argument, but I found the above on the UN Human Rights page about Cyprus, thought it was a little bit interesting..



lol, it seems I just keep pasting things these days...sorry, I like to do my research though...

Peace!!

[Piratis]

Natty, the ones that refuse to accept unity, democracy and human rights for all are those that have always rejected these things because it doesn't suit their plans for Cyprus.