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[Pyrpolizer]

Sentimental issues, yeah, I can agree with almost every GC or Tc about the pain caused by the dead, the war, the missing persons etc etc. I may even go picnics with a bi-communal group and dance identical Cypriot dances and sing identical Cypriot songs. And then claim that I am fighting the red, blue, and whatever ghoasts I can imagine.

However there will be a time I will have to talk with my "comrades in arms" how the hell I am going to get my rights back, and how the hell they are going to get their rights back.

That will be the time to learn if your picnics and the ghoasts you fought all your life had any effect. And it won’t take more than 5 minutes…. As for accusing your own side all those years and playing the brave guy like Bananiot who is not afraid of the "truth" as the other side sees it, I wonder what you will have to say when they tell you "aren’t you the one who said your side is evil" ? So why you want re-unification? Just sign us partition, legalise the results of the invasion the stealing of your properties and don’t worry….

…. we will continue having picnics, fighting ghoasts, and be friends like before. It is defeatists like you we were always looking for.

[cypezokyli]

pyrpolizer

firstly i hope you understand how rediculous it is, to refer to tcs which we like as "moderates", and to the gcs that the tcs like as "defeatists". can i ask you what solution would you have chosen if you were a tc ?

and this is exactly what those "picnincs" are doing. an example were the problem solving workshops. those are in the literature, a plausible tool when it comes to achieving peace. kafetjioglou akkici ,uludag, and the likes also participated in such workshops. we like them all. while the ones, from our side who participated were blamed as being traitors.
there s a whole book on those workshops (unfortunately) written by a german :
Oliver Wolleh: Die Teilung überwinden, Eine Fallstudie zur Friedensbildung in Zypern.
Overcoming the separation , A case stady for Peacebuilding in cyprus.

one of the most basic steps , is to understand not only the pain of the other but also his position. and that will not happen on the first meeting i can guarantee you that. that is why it is important to meet. not only to understand their position , but to try and communicate yours. that ofcource implicitly assume , that the first sentence you say is not : you ******* turk , you are only able to kill , give me my hause back."


Is defeatist the one , who accepts his one mistakes ?
or is it just another label whci we stick on to people so we can feel proud patriots?
personalities that could be counded in the finger of one hand were warning makarios of the danger of the tcs being in the encalves , but if one considers the power we had at the point , and what we (thought we ) could achieve their position was rediculous (or to be exact - defeatist) . giving 1, back then would have been enough (and defeatist) , giving 10 today is probably the best we can do (tpap referred yesterday to a painful bargaining)
.....

i was thinking of going on, but then i thought lets go back to the basics :
do you accept BBF as a form of a solution ?
and what do you understand with that ?

just to know where we stand .

[Pyrpolizer]

firstly i hope you understand how rediculous it is, to refer to tcs which we like as "moderates", and to the gcs that the tcs like as "defeatists".

I didn’t understand a sinlge word ….

one of the most basic steps , is to understand not only the pain of the other but also his position. and that will not happen on the first meeting i can guarantee you that. that is why it is important to meet. not only to understand their position , but to try and communicate yours. that ofcource implicitly assume , that the first sentence you say is not : you ******* turk , you are only able to kill , give me my hause back."

What are you talking about, and who told you I have no experience? The point is what’s next? Tell me what did you ever agree after understanding each other? Nothing… The groups simply disolved. True or false "giavorkanam"?

is defeatist the one , who accepts his one mistakes ?

The defeatist is the one who - been a victim of someone else’s attrocities- draws satisfaction/pleasure in blaming himself /or his side and is ready to be punished for that. Bananiot is such a typical person. Socrates is another, although his condition is more serious than simple defeatism.
Defeatism is a scalar syndrome but I ‘ll leave it upto here.

do you accept BBF as a form of a solution ?
and what do you understand with that ?

Unless I see the content of the so called BBF, the only answer I can give you is this: I don’t accept any solution that will take my property and donate it to others. And if you think we will ever ever vote yes to a solution that will not guarantee us this, then you are fooling yourself.


NB. since you asked what kind of solution do YOU accept? Did you ever ask the TCs in here what kind of solution they accept? Why is it so important for you to learn what kind of solution I accept.

[Pyrpolizer]

BTW all I see in this forum is a lot of Zzzz... Zzzz... Zzzz... Zzzz... Zzzz...
I think I 'll go Zzzz... Zzzz... Zzzz... Zzzz... Zzzz... myself too.

[Bananiot]

So it all boils down to your damn property! All your patriotic rhetoric has to do with your material loss. Now this defeatist understands you better.

[Pyrpolizer]

Well you ever tell me how the hell you are fighting, and for what?

[Pyrpolizer]

So it all boils down to your damn property! All your patriotic rhetoric has to do with your material loss. Now this defeatist understands you better.

I know! For a defeatist like you not EVEN your personal belongings count. You do not differ much from someone who is about to commit suicide and gives away whatever he has. The only difference is that you are a still living shit, and the next thing you will do is even raise your ass to satisfy your master and your pathetic self. You make me sick!

Imagine I did not even talk a hundred more of my rights. I only talked of what simply_absolutely belongs to me. If I should give that up then what’s left? Me working like a 2nd class citizen for the advance of the TC+Settler masters in the new so called "United BBF Country" ?

[Bananiot]

You are talking in your sleep. You have just confessed that the only thing that interests you is property. This is what you love, not your country. You must be a paid agent of the zionists or perhaps the dark forces of Xenon. The masks have been shed. Goodnight!

[cypezokyli]

Cypezokyli wrote:
firstly i hope you understand how rediculous it is, to refer to tcs which we like as "moderates", and to the gcs that the tcs like as "defeatists".


I didn’t understand a sinlge word ….

perhaps i was not clear.
we like sener levent. for the tcs sener levent is giving too much.
the tc like parashos. for us he is a traitor.


doesnt that make you wonder , why this is the case ?

The defeatist is the one who - been a victim of someone else’s attrocities- draws satisfaction/pleasure in blaming himself /or his side and is ready to be punished for that. Bananiot is such a typical person. Socrates is another, although his condition is more serious than simple defeatism.
Defeatism is a scalar syndrome but I ‘ll leave it upto here.

and what do you call those people who claim , that its the faulr of turkey the americans, the british , the junta , the aliens , the eoka B , but not our fault ....or at best our fault is maximum 5%....living in denial ?

no wonder we never learn from our mistakes

what would you call a tc, who lost relatives from gc bullets, and still wants to co-exist ? defeatist as well ?

What are you talking about, and who told you I have no experience? The point is what’s next? Tell me what did you ever agree after understanding each other? Nothing… The groups simply disolved. True or false "giavorkanam"?

so , from that experience , did you manage to understand what the basic concerncs of the tcs are?

i asked above as well : if you were a tc what kind of a solution would you pursue ?

Unless I see the content of the so called BBF, the only answer I can give you is this:

oh, if you are still waiting for another plan ......

I don’t accept any solution that will take my property and donate it to others. And if you think we will ever ever vote yes to a solution that will not guarantee us this, then you are fooling yourself.

i dont believe that there is ever going to be a plan that will quarantee the return of all refuggees. i believe it is possible that most of the refuggees return i.e. sth better than AP5. and i believe that this is sth that its not of the first priorities of the tcs.



if you believe that it is possible to get a plan (in this life) that will guarantee that all refuggees return , that will be acceptable to both sides , i am supporting you. the question that all of you never answer is HOW are you going to achieve that ? tell me that , and i am with you.
(and please , make sure that it is in the logical bounds of politics)

btw, would you have a problem living under tc administration ?
if you are afraid to answer that as well , let me start : i wouldnt have a problem.

since you asked what kind of solution do YOU accept? Did you ever ask the TCs in here what kind of solution they accept? Why is it so important for you to learn what kind of solution I accept.

whats the point of joining a forum over the cyprus problem when you dont want to share what kind of a solution you would like to see ?
if you dont want to share your views ....isnt there a good moovie on the cinema ? why do you waste your time here ?

for me, the first prerequisite for a solution is that both communities want to make it work. i believe that the best plan will fail, if there is no will for cooperation , and the worst plan can work if the will is there.
thats why , we should reduce nationalism as mich as possible (starting from the educational system and the media)

under the current situation, BBF is a model which is for me not only acceptable but also possible.

the first "B" is part of all conflict resolution efforts regerding ethnic conflicts. and that is power sharing. that in short means that the tcs will have a veto power on (at least) the most important decisions. thats where the "will to coopearate" will play an important role

the second B means that each group will be a majority in one of the two component entitys , states whatever you want to call them. here as kifeas posted a number of times, it can be formulated as de facto situation without any reference that , that part of the land historically belongs to the tcs etc etc.

[Pyrpolizer]

You have just confessed that the only thing that interests you is property.

Did I really? I believe you are reading out of your sleep. Read more carefully:

Imagine I did not even talk a hundred more of my rights. I only talked of what simply_absolutely belongs to me. If I should give that up then what’s left?

This is what you love, not your country.

Define "country" wise guy. And stop farting.
Does the term "country" include my personal property yes or no? And a hell lot of other rights that I did not bother to mention? Do you want to take away from me my most basic rights in my own Country?

You must be a paid agent of the zionists or perhaps the dark forces of Xenon. The masks have been shed.

Are these some of the ghoasts you are fighting in your sleep ?
I know many like you.