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[cypezokyli]

Any further questions Cypezokyli?

Some more personal ones maybe like the ones you are so curious about?

i thought that dialogue was about questions and answers ..... and about sources....
but on the other hand i have to admit you are right.
dialogue in other parts of the world means precisely that. in cyprus though

in both times, i asked you from where do you get your sources. i didnot ask you neither your name nor your adreess nor whom you are dating.

you choose not to answer , hidding behind "personal questions". if in a dialogue you dont provide your sources , then i dont really see the point.

[cypezokyli]

while the rest of cypriots hold the absolute truth

And the only person to disagree is the one who is absolutely right?

no.
but , the fact that many people believe one thing , doesnot neccessarily means that it is true.
remember , i gave you the example about kryfo sholio. it is a popular myth , that 95% of the greeks and gc believe in it, and nobody can proove it.

it doesnt mean that this is always the case.
all i am trying to say, is that how many people believe sth as a historical truth is irrelevant. one can prove sth bc he has the sources to do that. how many people believe otherwise is completely irrelevant.

[Pyrpolizer]

i thought that dialogue was about questions and answers ..... and about sources....

You did not ask about my sources.You asked which books of his I read without even caring to read what I wrote.I answered you explicitely.
The rest of your questions were mere curiosity.

FYI I can trace the writting style of Makarios Droushiotis....

[Bananiot]

As it happens, for my last post my sources were:

1. Spyros Papageorgiou ("Επιχείρησις Κοφίνου", Λευκωσία 1987
2. Glafcos Klerides ("Η Κατάθεσή μου", τ.Β΄, Λευκωσία 1989, σ.202-221)
3. Pierre Oberling ("The road to Bellapais", Ν.Υόρκη 1982, σ.141-2).
3. Eleftherotipia ("Ελευθεροτυπία" 11/09/2000)
4. Makarios Droushiotis ("Η πρώτη διχοτόμηση")

I gave the three main explanantions that are cited regarding the reasons that led to the Kophinou operations. There is also one more and this is quoted in Andreas Fantis's book ("Αναζητώντας την Αλήθεια" τ.Α 1960-1968). Fantis claims that the operation was a concerted effort to ridicule and bring down the Greek junta.

As far as Droushiotis is concerned, his books have become best sellers and he has sold tens of thousands. I think the one I mention above has also been translated into Turkish and English. In his web site you can find articles written in english and the video on the infamous "ambient atmosphere" of our President who accused 100 000 GC's who voted YES in the referendum of being traitors and paid agents of the Americans.

Visit http://www.makarios.ws/cgibin/hweb?-V=e ... EGORY=0000
and judge by yourself. Especially, I invite you to read "is this the road to democracy?"

[Pyrpolizer]

Cypezokyli,

The personal questions I refered to were those you asked in the thread concerning Cherry plum. Didn’t you notice the wink sign?
They might not be strictly personal like e.g who am I dating, but they are still personal because you try to draw conclussions for my personality based on how many Tcs I met, hoping you could use my reply to scrap my arguments.
If you like to continue your "personality" curiosity cycle, do it in the other thread and I will answer you more appropriately.

[Pyrpolizer]

Bananiot,

I noticed Makarios Droushiotis is mentioned last in your list....


Shouldn't he be on top?

[Kifeas]

As it happens, for my last post my sources were:

1. Spyros Papageorgiou ("Επιχείρησις Κοφίνου", Λευκωσία 1987
2. Glafcos Klerides ("Η Κατάθεσή μου", τ.Β΄, Λευκωσία 1989, σ.202-221)
3. Pierre Oberling ("The road to Bellapais", Ν.Υόρκη 1982, σ.141-2).
3. Eleftherotipia ("Ελευθεροτυπία" 11/09/2000)
4. Makarios Droushiotis ("Η πρώτη διχοτόμηση")

I gave the three main explanantions that are cited regarding the reasons that led to the Kophinou operations. There is also one more and this is quoted in Andreas Fantis's book ("Αναζητώντας την Αλήθεια" τ.Α 1960-1968). Fantis claims that the operation was a concerted effort to ridicule and bring down the Greek junta.

As far as Droushiotis is concerned, his books have become best sellers and he has sold tens of thousands. I think the one I mention above has also been translated into Turkish and English. In his web site you can find articles written in english and the video on the infamous "ambient atmosphere" of our President who accused 100 000 GC's who voted YES in the referendum of being traitors and paid agents of the Americans.

Visit http://www.makarios.ws/cgibin/hweb?-V=e ... EGORY=0000
and judge by yourself. Especially, I invite you to read "is this the road to democracy?"

Bananiot, everyone can find out about the Kofinou events, and the above sources are all well known to me. What I have asked you is to provide the (reliable) source referring to the involvement of Tassos Papadopoulos in those events, as you have claimed it in this thread (below.)

2. In November 1967 the Greek National Guard attacked the Turkish Cypriot enclave at Kophinou. The National Guard was headed by the notorious Gregorious Bonanos (Head of Staff during the junta period in Greece). Again, Turkey threatened to intervene. On November 15, there was a meeting at the Presidential Palace of the political and army leadership. According to Bonanos, Papadopoulos suggested that if Turkey sent in the airforce or tried to land forces, all the Turkish Cypriots would be exterminated, throughout Cyprus.

Furthermore, I asked you to clarify which Papadopoulos did you mean in the above quotation, and so far you "neglected" explaining. The way you described it, and the fact that you quoted and connected this together with the 1964 events, in the same post, implies that it was Tassos Papadopoulos that was involved in the above case of Kofinou. Is it Tassos Papadopoulos -the former president, or Papadopoulos the then Greek Junta dictator?

Why you do not clear this out, and also provide the source of this particular information, and instead you make it such a way as to technically live shadow again on Tassos Papadopoulos? Why do you play this dirty game of deliberately trying to mislead those reading you, especially those less aware of the past history?

[Viewpoint]

Cypezokyli,

The personal questions I refered to were those you asked in the thread concerning Cherry plum. Didn’t you notice the wink sign?
They might not be strictly personal like e.g who am I dating, but they are still personal because you try to draw conclussions for my personality based on how many Tcs I met, hoping you could use my reply to scrap my arguments.
If you like to continue your "personality" curiosity cycle, do it in the other thread and I will answer you more appropriately.

Well , how many have you met and how many do you really know? or are you just avoiding answering....

[cypezokyli]

Cypezokyli,

The personal questions I refered to were those you asked in the thread concerning Cherry plum. Didn’t you notice the wink sign?
They might not be strictly personal like e.g who am I dating, but they are still personal because you try to draw conclussions for my personality based on how many Tcs I met, hoping you could use my reply to scrap my arguments.
If you like to continue your "personality" curiosity cycle, do it in the other thread and I will answer you more appropriately.

dont worry, if you are reffering to personality conclusions like this :

Hi Realist,

Watch out man. Cypezokyli and Bananiot are GCs. Shocked

dont worry , i am not there yet. imagine, i only asked a couple of questions (the two of us didnot get into any real discussion as far as i can recall) and you are questioning my identity !!!
...............

perhaps my question was not clear. in practise what i asked , what affected your opinion when it comes to tcs.
its a question , that i asked a numerous times in this forum , i even opened a thread once "what are your sources".
i dont even know why with you it has turned into a big theme.

besides, as i told you in the other thread there is a study from the university of cyprus, that i also posted on this forum, where it is argued that the stereotypes of both communities can be reduced by meeting and interacting.

anyway...there s no point to go on discussing about if a question is appropriate or not. if you dont want to answer it. its up to you. besides i am already kind of sure about the answer

the same works with drousiotis books. you reffered to them as a lot of noncence without ever reading one. his books generally refer to journalistic research about past events. his articles are mostly interpratations of the present and predictions about the future. and no matter his interpratations about the current situation , in general his books are well documented.
remember he is been taken often to court (regarding what he wrote about the past) , and as far as i can recall , he wins

[Bananiot]

Kifeas is now playing the ... duck!

This is what I wrote:

It is sad when one realises that the truth really has to fight in order to surface. Here we are talking about some very turbulent years in the recent history of Cyprus and seeing three people that later created havoc in Greece having a centre stage role in events and all we do is just bypass this. These people (Papadopoulos, Ioannides and Bonanos) would just knock on the door of Makarios and suggest things to him (okay, by coincidence, always their suggestions referred to the extermination of the Turkish Cypriots) and this is viewd as "legitimate scaremongering bluffing"! How pathetic!

Anyone can see which three men I referred to and I do not understand why Kifeas needs further explanations. Furthermore, would Kifeas like to admit now that President Papadopoulos was Defkalion? Perhaps he can tell us what Defkalion did in 1957. During the Kofinou operations, his Papadopoulos was a member of the politicomilitary council that planned the operation.