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[Solveit]

Common sense! Exactly the thing you do not seem to posses!

Oh I see......... as I said before:

That is just soooooo typical of you Kifeas, whenever you don't have a rational explanation or argument to put forward, you resort to personal insults.

You prove my point perfectly.

[Kifeas]

Although they were stupid enough at the time to do all that they did, they weren't quite so stupid as to boldly put in print ''The sole aim of this plan is to annihilate the TC's and forge Enosis''.

If I am correct, the document was to be kept strictly secret, but weren't there lots of briefings and meetings with all of his 'cohorts' to discuss the 'detail'. I wonder what the detail was. Hmmm, could it have something to do with the TC's!!!
And They always say........The DEVIL is in the detail.......Don't they.

Does everybody see the fallacy in the "arguments" of all these people?

Apparently, the GC leadership, he claims above, had a problem stipulating in a secret document such as the Akritas plan, their profound aim and intention to annihilate the TCs from Cyprus, a document which was also meant to be burned once the briefing of a completely controlled audience of pre-selected and trusted colleges on its content would have ended, while at the same time they claim that Makarios had no problem saying publicly and in front of a totally uncontrolled audience (in an open speech in Panayia village) what the GC side's true aims and intentions visa vie the TCs were.

In the first case of the control audience and the secret Akritas plan, they are able to read between the lines that what it was not stipulated, should be extracted, implied and concluded from “reading between the lines,” however, in the case of the uncontrolled audience and the public Makarios speech, what was stipulated should not be interpreted -again from reading between the lines, that it was not intended but rather the outcome of frustration.

[Kifeas]

and then has the audacity to ask me what my "take" on the Akritas plan is.

So what is your understanding of the purpose and meaning of the Akritas plan then? You still haven't said!!

Because I did not join this forum only the day before yesterday, but I am here for almost one and a half year already, you may do a search in past postings and easily find my views on the Akritas plan, and not only in this forum but also in another one that you know. I feel I should not be obliged to repeat time and time again my views, as soon as one parachutist jumps in the forum and starts his one-sided ranting on the matter, before reading anything from what has already been discussed numerous times in the forums.

[Solveit]

Does everybody see the fallacy in the "arguments" of all these people?

Apparently, the GC leadership, he claims above, had a problem stipulating in a secret document such as the Akritas plan, their profound aim and intention to annihilate the TCs from Cyprus, a document which was also meant to be burned once the briefing of a completely controlled audience of pre-selected and trusted colleges on its content would have ended, while at the same time they claim that Makarios had no problem saying publicly and in front of a totally uncontrolled audience (in an open speech in Panayia village) what the GC side's true aims and intentions visa vie the TCs were.

In the first case of the control audience and the secret Akritas plan, they are able to read between the lines that what it was not stipulated, should be extracted, implied and concluded from “reading between the lines,” however, in the case of the uncontrolled audience and the public Makarios speech, what was stipulated should not be interpreted -again from reading between the lines, that it was not intended but rather the outcome of frustration.

Exactly the point Kifeas. If it was put in writing for all to see, then there could be no doubt whatsoever in ANYONES minds what the Akritas plan was all about, but what was stated in Panayia village COULD (if unsuitable ears got wind of it) be construed as unintentional, and borne out of frustration, despair, and anger. And guess what.........It worked........and people believed it......didn't they Kifeas.

[Solveit]

So what is your understanding of the purpose and meaning of the Akritas plan then? You still haven't said!!

Still waiting



Ok. Just edited this post as just seen your last answer. As you know, there a thousands of posts, so why not do a good deed for the day and save me some time searching. Or if you know where you've said it before, why not copy and paste for me.

[Kifeas]

Does everybody see the fallacy in the "arguments" of all these people?

Apparently, the GC leadership, he claims above, had a problem stipulating in a secret document such as the Akritas plan, their profound aim and intention to annihilate the TCs from Cyprus, a document which was also meant to be burned once the briefing of a completely controlled audience of pre-selected and trusted colleges on its content would have ended, while at the same time they claim that Makarios had no problem saying publicly and in front of a totally uncontrolled audience (in an open speech in Panayia village) what the GC side's true aims and intentions visa vie the TCs were.

In the first case of the control audience and the secret Akritas plan, they are able to read between the lines that what it was not stipulated, should be extracted, implied and concluded from “reading between the lines,” however, in the case of the uncontrolled audience and the public Makarios speech, what was stipulated should not be interpreted -again from reading between the lines, that it was not intended but rather the outcome of frustration.

Exactly the point Kifeas. If it was put in writing for all to see, then there could be no doubt whatsoever in ANYONES minds what the Akritas plan was all about, but what was stated in Panayia village COULD (if unsuitable ears got wind of it) be construed as unintentional, and borne out of frustration, despair, and anger. And guess what.........It worked........and people believed it......didn't they Kifeas.

Now ...that is what one should call a warped and twisted logic!

[Solveit]

Now ...that is what one should call a warped and twisted logic!

Maybe so......But I'm learning from you every day.

Must go now, as I have to go and talk to people with some sense. Enjoy your evening.

[Bananiot]

The paramilitarists were not figments of the imagination and Makarios knew of Akritas. In fact, there was a large scale military exercise (with guns and live ammunition) of these people by the mountain residence of Makarios, high on mount Troodos. Of course, Kifeas can also dismiss this as an act born out of frustration and dismay, or even unsubstantiated propaganda, but this will not surprise me since he has shut himself out of the real world and has thrown the key away.

[Kifeas]

The paramilitarists were not figments of the imagination and Makarios knew of Akritas. In fact, there was a large scale military exercise (with guns and live ammunition) of these people by the mountain residence of Makarios, high on mount Troodos. Of course, Kifeas can also dismiss this as an act born out of frustration and dismay, or even unsubstantiated propaganda, but this will not surprise me since he has shut himself out of the real world and has thrown the key away.

Oh I see ...the perspective subjects of the GC community's annihilation aim and campaign were living up in the forests of the high mountains, and not in the villages and towns of the urban seaside and plain areas of Cyprus, and therefore it was necessary to train the annihilators in forest and mountain raid attacks for this purpose. Probably the GC side's plans included tricking the TC community to come up to the Troodos Mountains for a free and state sponsored picnic in the forest, and then attack them in the mountain, that is why there was a also a need for this kind of mountain forest training.