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[Socrates]

Kifeas

It’s not my fault what Makarios was said for sure so please try to find other way to cover your self. It’s Makarios Ntektash Eoka B Akritas TMT and Papado fault so please leave this silly smart attack on the side and try to bring some arguments or give up.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas don't waste your time, the bloke is clearly a complete idiot. I'm also pretty sure that there are a few people on this forum who claim to be a GC, but who are actually TCs.

Does it really matter who is a TC or a GC on this forum, if they speak the truth that they know it to be accurate. I think it is commendable that any citizen can speak the truth, even if it hurts their own side. Time for sticking ones head in the sand should be long gone by now, if there's going to be any chance of peace in Cyprus. I personally welcome all the comments Kifeas, Piratis, Soto, Miltiades, you and others make, as well as comments from Bananiot, Socrates, Viewpoint and others from apposing views. I don't have to agree with all of you all the time, but between all of us, there are lot of truths, and a lot of misinformation being passed around. The question is how to seperate the crap from the truth, and one way to do that is to follow this rule, and that is, "where there's smoke, there's fire". So look for the "smoke" in the comments from each member. Don't be misguided by "smoke screens" however.

Precisely! Therefore -some think to themselves, "let's air the smoke with a blanket as much as possible in order to prove that the fire is much bigger than what in reality is, and that it is still burning even thought in reality it is only the aches that are causing the dust!"

[Kifeas]

Kifeas

It’s not my fault what Makarios was said for sure so please try to find other way to cover your self. It’s Makarios Ntektash Eoka B Akritas TMT and Papado fault so please leave this silly smart attack on the side and try to bring some arguments or give up.

Socrates, please stop fucking our brains up with your ranting! You did fuck them enough already!

[Simon]

That is the problem though Kikapu, I'm not arguing against anyone who seeks to tell the truth, I myself commend this. However, there are people who come on this forum with agendas to peddle the propoganda around with no foundations or evidence. Somehow, people believe that if they say they are GC for example, it makes them sound more credible when they attack the GC side, this is why they do it.

I urge anyone who wishes to grasp a true understanding of the Cyprus problem, right up until the rejection of the Annan Plan and Cyprus' EU entry, to read William Mallinson's, A Modern History Cyprus - published in 2005 by I.B. Tauris & Co Ltd.

He has an unrivaled access to government documents etc, and has sound evidence for his observations.

[Socrates]

Why do not have at least one argument and when you will stop the attacks?

Kifeas if you think what the things I say will be possible to make a negotiation disadvantage you are dreaming again.

No one gives a shit about us, what you are thinking and what I’m thinking or what the TC are thinking, the people have the right to learn the truth if we want to live together.

Papado integrity is in the bottom and what I say can only help the relations between TC and GC and it can’t do any harm than that. And it can do much good if some of his victims realize what he doesn’t care for them.

And this is my truth if you have something else to propose you are free to do it.

Stop the attacks because I’m not giving you any excuse.

[Kikapu]

[Precisely! Therefore -some think to themselves, "let's air the smoke with a blanket as much as possible in order to prove that the fire is much bigger than what in reality is, and that it is still burning even thought in reality it is only the aches that are causing the dust!"

Well, if there was actually a fire there in the first place Kifeas, then you also need to acknowledge the existance of the fire when it occured in the first place, if the ashes are still there and no matter how cold they are. If the ashes are planted there, then I can side with you, as it's being fanned to create the smoke, so to create misinformation. Then the question becomes, why would someone do that and for what purpose. Just because someone loves their country, does not mean they love their countries history or their government. I do not buy into, when someone is critical of wrong doings of their leaders, is purposely trying to damage the image of the Cypriot Citizens. Infact, it will empower us to have control over the politicians, rather than, other way around, so that in the future, there won't be "fires" that burn out of citizens control.

[Kifeas]

[Precisely! Therefore -some think to themselves, "let's air the smoke with a blanket as much as possible in order to prove that the fire is much bigger than what in reality is, and that it is still burning even thought in reality it is only the aches that are causing the dust!"

Well, if there was actually a fire there in the first place Kifeas, then you also need to acknowledge the existance of the fire when it occured in the first place, if the ashes are still there and no matter how cold they are. If the ashes are planted there, then I can side with you, as it's being fanned to create the smoke, so to create misinformation. Then the question becomes, why would someone do that and for what purpose. Just because someone loves their country, does not mean they love their countries history or their government. I do not buy into, when someone is critical of wrong doings of their leaders, is purposely trying to damage the image of the Cypriot Citizens. Infact, it will empower us to have control over the politicians, rather than, other way around, so that in the future, there won't be "fires" that burn out of citizens control.

Kikapu, you know very well that one can prove there is a fire, by igniting the fire himself, and one can also imply there is a fire by creating artificial smoke, again by himself! Therefore, let’s stop this meaningless discussion about fire and smoke. Furthermore, I wonder what all this meaningless pastology and blame game that some try all to often to set up and stage in the forums has to offer to the problems we are facing today, other than of cource to provide the "vaulting horse" based on which to compel the other side through victimisation to “bow” to the their illegitimate and excessive demands and aims of the present. We know this came all to well!

[Solveit]

people in general may at times utter words which they do not really mean and which are not part of their true and real intentions but rather the outcome of frustration, anger and despair,

The statement he made looks like a very clear, calculated, and well thought out statement to me!! Not one borne out of despair, anger or frustration.

Did he qualify what he said later on, by saying, 'I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say that, but I was angry and frustrated'.

Anyway Kifeas, what makes you think you are the only one that can interpret the true meaning of his statements!! Were you his personal counsellor or something? Did you sit on his knee and take the minutes of his meetings?

and then has the audacity to ask me what my "take" on the Akritas plan is.

So what is your understanding of the purpose and meaning of the Akritas plan then? You still haven't said!!

Yet, nowhere there is such a direct or indirect, profound or disguised claim, implication or even insinuation in the Akritas plan that its aim is to "rid the island of the TC population!!" Absolutely nowhere!!!

Ever heard of reading between the lines? Of course you must have, as you do enough of it.....but only when it suits.

Although they were stupid enough at the time to do all that they did, they weren't quite so stupid as to boldly put in print ''The sole aim of this plan is to annihilate the TC's and forge Enosis''.

If I am correct, the document was to be kept strictly secret, but weren't there lots of briefings and meetings with all of his 'cohorts' to discuss the 'detail'. I wonder what the detail was. Hmmm, could it have something to do with the TC's!!!
And They always say........The DEVIL is in the detail.......Don't they.

It is not really my intention to keep wasting my time in the forums arguing with people who do not really have anything useful and meaningful to offer and add up in the equation, and one such I find you to be!

That is just soooooo typical of you Kifeas, whenever you don't have a rational explanation or argument to put forward, you resort to personal insults.

your very nick name reveals your arrogance and authoritarian attitude with which you joined the forum.

Hmmm. Pot calling the Kettle black methinks.

For one soooo blinkered, you will do very well to come back in the next life...............as a racehorse. I'm sure you'd prove to be a champion.

[Kifeas]

people in general may at times utter words which they do not really mean and which are not part of their true and real intentions but rather the outcome of frustration, anger and despair,

Anyway Kifeas, what makes you think you are the only one that can interpret the true meaning of his statements!! Were you his personal counsellor or something? Did you sit on his knee and take the minutes of his meetings?

Common sense! Exactly the thing you do not seem to posses!

[Socrates]

Yes what I say is conspiracy against the innocent GC’s and not a reaction to PapaD and Makarios madness