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[Piratis]

Ho sorry I forgot the above just dropped out of the sky, get real.

It didn't drop from the sky. They Turks have found some excuse to invade and implement their plans.
History in Cyprus did not start in 1974 or 1963. Everything is a chain of events that started with the totally unprovoked invasion by the Turks in the 1571. Therefore the Turks are the ones who lit the fuse that caused the chain reaction.

Lame or not your mentality is flawed as you relate the number of deaths to who is wrong and who is right.
The only reason that you were not able to annihilate us because we fought back harder than you expected otherwise we would all have been 6ft under and long forgotten.

Viewpoint, the Turks are the ones that tried to annihilate Greek Cypriots by butchering 10s of thousands of them. During the intercummunal conflict TCs had about the same about of victims as GCs. How can you then call that as annihilation attempt? You can't. You just give lame excuses to excuse your crimes and illegalities.

You lit the fuse in 1963 that caused the explosion and now you are complaining that the bomb went off, typical Gc mentality.

So the deaths of 10s of thousands of Greek Cypriots by the Turks before 1963 were not "lit the fuse"?? Only when a Turk dies is "lit the fuse"?? Get real.

You can stop me anytime you wish.

We will

Declare this to the world and respond to those TCs who have applied to your courts and will take the case to the ECHR...lets see if you have the balls. I doubt your administrations sincerity.

We declared it many times already but you insist on crimes and illegalities

So you agree all is not black and white, there are different shades of Human rights and Democracy the matter is who administers them.

Were did you see me agreeing with this???? Are you dreaming?

I as a TC do not want purely GC administered human rights and democracy in my own country, what so hard to understand.

Who asked for a purely GC administered anything? You are the 18% you get the 18% of administration. I hope you understood that the 18% of people given 50% of power is totally undemocratic

Viewpoint, it is obvious that any kind of discussions with people like you ( that insist on illegalities, human rights violations and things that are undemocratic) are totally useless. We will never accept such things and you will always insist on them until you are forced to accept legality. I think discussions are totally useless.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

It didn't drop from the sky. They Turks have found some excuse to invade and implement their plans.
History in Cyprus did not start in 1974 or 1963. Everything is a chain of events that started with the totally unprovoked invasion by the Turks in the 1571. Therefore the Turks are the ones who lit the fuse that caused the chain reaction.

Man you can hold a grudge, from 1571 to 1963, gods knows what you have in store for if we ever unite.

Who provided the excuse and therefore ignited a bomb YOU did.

Viewpoint, the Turks are the ones that tried to annihilate Greek Cypriots by butchering 10s of thousands of them. During the intercummunal conflict TCs had about the same about of victims as GCs. How can you then call that as annihilation attempt? You can't. You just give lame excuses to excuse your crimes and illegalities.

I am not responsible for what the Ottomans did back in 1571 and your mentality of you did this to us so 400 years later we have to do this to you is warped to say the least and shows your capabilities for the future.
But your annihilation attempt and Enosis dream was only 33 years ago and resulted in division.

We declared it many times already but you insist on crimes and illegalities

Declare it now, yo know you will never reunite under 1960 agreements as you have a problem sharing the air that we breath let alone a country.

Were did you see me agreeing with this???? Are you dreaming?

This is your quote

I don't know if they have democracy in Botswana, Sudan etc, but definitely my aim is not turning Cyprus into a 3rd world country just because it suits you.

So there is a difference from one country to another, the basic principles maybe universal but application always differs, this is what I am referring to.

Who asked for a purely GC administered anything? You are the 18% you get the 18% of administration. I hope you understood that the 18% of people given 50% of power is totally undemocratic

Let me remind you that you are a purely GC administered state. Things have now changed you were not (remember Akritas) and are still not happy with the agreements of 1960 and Im certain that if we reunited under 1960 agreements you would immediately attempt to dilute and remove concessions made to the TC community.

Let me remind you what has now changed and what was agreed only last Saturday

In a five-point declaration read out by Gambari following Saturday’s talks, the two leaders outlined the framework for a future settlement, which they agreed would be based on “based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation and political equality”.

Viewpoint, it is obvious that any kind of discussions with people like you ( that insist on illegalities, human rights violations and things that are undemocratic) are totally useless. We will never accept such things and you will always insist on them until you are forced to accept legality. I think discussions are totally useless.

I am the people you have to negotiate with, theres no one else...its your prerogative whether you do or not.

[Piratis]

Man you can hold a grudge, from 1571 to 1963, gods knows what you have in store for if we ever unite.

Who provided the excuse and therefore ignited a bomb YOU did.

You are the one who uses the past as an excuse for your present crimes, not me. You are the one who wants to find who "lit the bomb", so I informed you that YOU did. History in Cyprus doesn't start in 1963 or whenever it suits you.

I am not responsible for what the Ottomans did back in 1571 and your mentality of you did this to us so 400 years later we have to do this to you is warped to say the least and shows your capabilities for the future.
But your annihilation attempt and Enosis dream was only 33 years ago and resulted in division.

How about the crimes of TMT? Are you responsible for those? How about the butchering of 6000 GCs and the ethnic cleansing of 200.000 in 1974, are you responsible for those?

33 years ago you butchered 6000 GCs and ethnically cleansed 200.000, and only some 100s of TCs had died. And after this you have the nerve to tell us that we tried to annihilate you when you were in fact doing this???

Declare it now, yo know you will never reunite under 1960 agreements as you have a problem sharing the air that we breath let alone a country.

I declare it now, as we declared it about a billion times in the past. Will you stop the crimes and illegalities now?

So there is a difference from one country to another, the basic principles maybe universal but application always differs, this is what I am referring to.

I said I didn't know if there is democracy in Botswana or not. If there is then the same principles would apply there as well. There is NO democratic country in the whole world were an 18% minority is given 50% power because this is undemocratic.

Let me remind you that you are a purely GC administered state. Things have now changed you were not (remember Akritas) and are still not happy with the agreements of 1960 and Im certain that if we reunited under 1960 agreements you would immediately attempt to dilute and remove concessions made to the TC community.

The 1960 agreements were already too much in your favor. Don't expect to have even a single gain on our loss. You can not win on our loss, realize it!

Let me remind you what has now changed and what was agreed only last Saturday

Political equality between citizens, like it should be in all democracies. Anything beyond that is just bullshit that will never be accepted by the Cypriot people.

I am the people you have to negotiate with, theres no one else...its your prerogative whether you do or not.

Negotiating with you it is a waste of time. We should just block Turkey from EU and see her economy crashing for a start.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

You are the one who uses the past as an excuse for your present crimes, not me. You are the one who wants to find who "lit the bomb", so I informed you that YOU did. History in Cyprus doesn't start in 1963 or whenever it suits you.

Didnt we clean the slate and try to start again in 1960? didnt we agree a partnership to live together in 1960? didnt we agree to share in 1960?appears its you who refers back to 1571 and bears a grudge not me. Your making excuses for your mistakes from 1960 to 1974 the time we shoudl have worked together your pursued your hidden agenda and plotted to anniahalate usi you lit that bomb which exploded in your face.

How about the crimes of TMT? Are you responsible for those? How about the butchering of 6000 GCs and the ethnic cleansing of 200.000 in 1974, are you responsible for those?

33 years ago you butchered 6000 GCs and ethnically cleansed 200.000, and only some 100s of TCs had died. And after this you have the nerve to tell us that we tried to annihilate you when you were in fact doing this???

TMT was in direct response to your EOKA terrorists, again you lit that bomb.

Do you have supporting evidence of the figures you throw about? or are they coming from where the sun dont shine.

Ask Makarios, Sampson and Grivas what plans they have fo us...it wasnt a trip to Disney land.

I declare it now, as we declared it about a billion times in the past. Will you stop the crimes and illegalities now?

You doing on this forum makes no difference tell your administration if the dare.

I said I didn't know if there is democracy in Botswana or not. If there is then the same principles would apply there as well. There is NO democratic country in the whole world were an 18% minority is given 50% power because this is undemocratic.

So there are different shades of human right and democracy, the GC shade is unfortunately not for me.

The declaration is Political Equality between communites not people, even the UN do not trust your shade of human rights and democracy.

The 1960 agreements were already too much in your favor. Don't expect to have even a single gain on our loss. You can not win on our loss, realize it!

I am right that even if we returned to the 1960 agreements you would seek to to dilute it via the EU because you feel its to much in our favor and gain on our loss.

Political equality between citizens, like it should be in all democracies. Anything beyond that is just bullshit that will never be accepted by the Cypriot people

Tell your leader that he appears to disagree with you.

Negotiating with you it is a waste of time. We should just block Turkey from EU and see her economy crashing for a start.

Do it if you have the balls.

[Piratis]

Viewpoint there is no reason to waste more of my time with you.

Since the day the Turks have set their foot on Cyprus until today for the 99% of time they have been killing Greek Cypriots and abusing our human rights something that continues today as we speak.

You trying to use that 1% of fault that the GCs have as an excuse for even more crimes against us is the usual tactic of the bloodthirsty policies of turks, nothing new.

Turkey will be blocked from EU, not because of Cyprus, but because such an uncivilized country does not belong to Europe and the majority of Europeans do not want her.

I hope that you will be satisfied that you will live under the undemocratic military Turkish rule instead of in a democratic European country and I hope you keep in mind that the land you keep under occupation is not yours and it is only a matter of time when legality will be restored and the criminals punished.

[miltiades]

Piratis , we must do all we can to find a solution and we do need Turkey in the EU . I hope very much that our leaders will refrain from antagonistic statements and concentrate on what unites us in Cyprus and not the other way around. The Turkish Cypriots are just as anxious as we are that a just solution is negotiated .

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint there is no reason to waste more of my time with you.

Since the day the Turks have set their foot on Cyprus until today for the 99% of time they have been killing Greek Cypriots and abusing our human rights something that continues today as we speak.

You trying to use that 1% of fault that the GCs have as an excuse for even more crimes against us is the usual tactic of the bloodthirsty policies of turks, nothing new.

Turkey will be blocked from EU, not because of Cyprus, but because such an uncivilized country does not belong to Europe and the majority of Europeans do not want her.

I hope that you will be satisfied that you will live under the undemocratic military Turkish rule instead of in a democratic European country and I hope you keep in mind that the land you keep under occupation is not yours and it is only a matter of time when legality will be restored and the criminals punished.

DREAM ON PIRATIS DREAM ON :lol:

[bg_turk]

DREAM ON PIRATIS DREAM ON :lol:

Viewpoint, why do you waste your time?

[Piratis]

The Turkish Cypriots are just as anxious as we are that a just solution is negotiated .

It is obvious that "just" for them mean undemocratic and human rights violations. So unfortunately a just solution can not be negotiated.

Viewpoint, why do you waste your time?

He is not wasting his time. He is trying to promote the Turkish propaganda as much as possible. Thats his sole purpose here.

[Viewpoint]

DREAM ON PIRATIS DREAM ON :lol:

Viewpoint, why do you waste your time?

You are right bg_turk, its not worth it as he and people like him confirm why we should and will move closer and closer to permenant division, they do more bad than good and unfortunately they do not realize this.