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[Piratis]

I will not stoop to your level although kindly remember I can. You are avoiding the real issue that I raised that you have what you want and that is a Greek Cypriot state run by Greek Cypriots.

What we have, 1/3rd of our country occupied by Turkey, 200.000 refugees, violations of our human rights, violations of international law etc, is not what we want. Is almost what you wanted with your partition dream, with the only exception that you wanted this dream to be legalized and it will never be.

You continously measure everything in volumes of deaths, you did 100 times more bad things to us so you must be wrong well is doesnt go that way. You can ignite a bomb that will explode in your face and kill others, is the bomb the problem or the person that lit the fuse?

Your intention to annihiate us was always your aim read the words of Makarios and Samson, Grivas the fact thank god you couldnt execute it doesnt excuse it.

My friend, numbers of course matter when you talk about "annihilation" You killed 10s of thousands of Greek Cypriots and thats not annihilation and the death of some 100s of TCs is? How lame is that argument??

As far as who " lit the fuse" the answer is the Turks. They are the ones who came to our island uninvited and started butchering people and oppressing us.

You have to persuade me otherwise and you are not doing a very good job, you do more damage that good only thing is you do not realize it.

You are not here to be persuaded. You are here to pass Turkish pro partition propaganda and nothing more. So cut the crap because they don't pass on me.

So? Like it or not in the TRNC I have every right and wil continue to do so as long as we cannot agree a comprehensive solution.

You have no right for an illegal pseudo state.

What we say is we want out rights back what do we have to do to get them and what guarantees do we have that you will not attempt to water down the rights of th TC community in the 1960 agreements?

Lets see if you will give them back, I doubt it very much dont you?

What you have to do is simple: Stop the illegalities. It is you that insist about to "trnc" and other illegalities, isn't it??

The democracy and human rights administered in Botswana and in Denmark are totally different.

I repeat: "These elements define the fundamental elements of all modern democracies, no matter how varied in history, culture, and economy."
What part of this sentence you do not understand? I don't know if they have democracy in Botswana, Sudan etc, but definitely my aim is not turning Cyprus into a 3rd world country just because it suits you.

Under a BBF system we will be equal partners,2 component states the balance of this partnership will have to be agreed in a comprehensive solution.

Thats your idea of BBF. We disagree. And since we disagree then we can just scrap it and return to the only legal thing that exist today witch is nothing else than the 1960 agreements.

It doesn't mean that you have the right to continue your illegalities until we accept your definition of BBF!! For us BBF doesn't mean undemocratic and against human rights like it apparently means for you.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

What we have, 1/3rd of our country occupied by Turkey, 200.000 refugees, violations of our human rights, violations of international law etc, is not what we want. Is almost what you wanted with your partition dream, with the only exception that you wanted this dream to be legalized and it will never be.

Ho sorry I forgot the above just dropped out of the sky, get real.

My friend, numbers of course matter when you talk about "annihilation" You killed 10s of thousands of Greek Cypriots and thats not annihilation and the death of some 100s of TCs is? How lame is that argument??

Lame or not your mentality is flawed as you relate the number of deaths to who is wrong and who is right.
The only reason that you were not able to annihalate us because we fought back harder than you expected otherwise we would all have been 6ft under and long forgotten.

As far as who " lit the fuse" the answer is the Turks. They are the ones who came to our island uninvited and started butchering people and oppressing us.

You lit the fuse in 1963 that caused the explosion and now you are complaining that the bomb went off, typical Gc mentality.

You are not here to be persuaded. You are here to pass Turkish pro partition propaganda and nothing more. So cut the crap because they don't pass on me.

You have no right for an illegal pseudo state.

You can stop me anytime you wish.

What you have to do is simple: Stop the illegalities. It is you that insist about to "trnc" and other illegalities, isn't it??

Declare this to the world and respond to those TCs who have applied to your courts and will take the case to the ECHR...lets see if you have the balls. I doubt your administrations sincerity.

repeat: "These elements define the fundamental elements of all modern democracies, no matter how varied in history, culture, and economy."
What part of this sentence you do not understand? I don't know if they have democracy in Botswana, Sudan etc, but definitely my aim is not turning Cyprus into a 3rd world country just because it suits you.

So you agree all is not black and white, there are different shades of Human rights and Democracy the matter is who administers them. I as a TC do not want purely GC administered human rights and democracy in my own country, what so hard to understand.

Thats your idea of BBF. We disagree. And since we disagree then we can just scrap it and return to the only legal thing that exist today witch is nothing else than the 1960 agreements.

BBF was concieved by the UN was closer to my version than yours surely that must tell you something.
What guarantees will you give me that you will not water down the 1960 agreements as you have in the on many occassions stipulate you are also not happy with what you signed as they give TCs to many concessions.

It doesn't mean that you have the right to continue your illegalities until we accept your definition of BBF!! For us BBF doesn't mean undemocratic and against human rights like it apparently means for you.

You are right, but until a solution is found that will change the situation and that we can both commit to then we will remain as we are.

[Natty]

You lit the fuse in 1963 that caused the explosion and now you are complaining that the bomb went off, typical Gc mentality.

I don't know when or who exactly "Lit" the fuse that sparked off the violence, but I do know that Denktash plantet a few bombs to provoke attacks.....

Emin Dirvana, then Turkish Ambassador to Cyprus, explains what Denktash means, in an article in "Milliyet" (5.15.64)

"...I was informed that on the 7th of June, 1958, a bomb had been planted in the Turkish Press Office in Nicosia by persons who, as was established later, had nothing to do with the Greek Cypriots. The Turks of Nicosia were then incited (...) and perpetrated acts similar to those committed on the 6th and the 7th of September, 1955 in Istanbul."




In an interview given by Denktash to the British television channel ITV for the programme "Cyprus: Britain's Grim Legacy", he said:

"There was an explosion at the information bureau of the Turkish Consulate. A crowd had already gathered there, a crowd of the Turkish Cypriot community. And they almost immediately decided that Greeks had done it and they were swearing vengeance against the Greeks and so on." "The explosion started a night of riots in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriots burned and looted Greek shops and homes. Soon came counter-attacks and the fighting spread round the island. Later on, a friend of mine, whose name must still be kept secret, was to confess to me that he had put this little bomb in their doorway in order to create an atmosphere of tension so that people would know that Turkish Cypriots mattered"

Peace!:)

[Viewpoint]

The Enosis dream was the match that lit the fuse....union with us would have been a much better idea.

[miltiades]

Who is us ?

[Natty]

Hey, I understand, but I think people need to understand why, at that time, the GC's wanted Ennosis with Greece...

This is what the UN says about EOKA so I suppose Ennosis, and the violence which was bound to happen between the two communities.....

6. After a long but unsuccessful peaceful political and diplomatic effort, which included a referendum for self-determination in 1950, the Greek Cypriots took up arms in 1955 against the colonial power to attain freedom. During the anticolonial struggle, Turkey encouraged the Turkish Cypriot leaders to identify themselves with the colonial government in an effort to thwart the struggle for self-determination of the people of Cyprus. The "divide and rule" policy of the colonial government made serious incidents between the two communities inevitable.

I took the above quote from the UN Human Rights page.

Peace!:)

[Natty]

Who is us ?

Hey Miltiades, I think he means the Turkish Cypriots....

[Kikapu]

I was just asking the question. There's nothing illegal if you're sharing the governments or the majorities point of view, is just that you and Kifeas seems to be the most out spoken in favour of PappaD.

You said that we were hired by the government because we support what we do. Papadopoulos has the support of over 60%+ of the people especially when it comes to the Cyprus problem. Is the 60%+ hired by the government???? .

Piratis,

You seem to have a problem distinguishing the difference between "a question" from a "statement". Mine was a question. In anycase, as you rightly pointed out that the ROC enjoys the support of 60+of the votes on the Cyprus problem, and just as you do not vote based on one issue, who is to say that of the 60+ voters, are all against the Annan Plan, just because they support PappaD. And what about the remaining 40- voters that did not vote for PappaD, does that mean, that they supported the AP. It is very difficult to know how many support the AP. Lets ask them if they would support "partition", and see what the % are, since there's no agreement in sight, and no new UN or EU sponsored plan. My guess will be 95% "NO" for the "partition". In anycase, I'm glad you and Kifeas are there to give us the "views" of the ROC.

[miltiades]

Kikapu there have been some important developments recently as you know. The meetings held by our leaders are a step forward, albeit a small one but constructive nevertheless.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu there have been some important developments recently as you know. The meetings held by our leaders are a step forward, albeit a small one but constructive nevertheless.

Lets hope so my friend.