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[miltiades]

Kikapu wrote :

"Respectfully, you're barking at the wrong tree. I said TC's ( Turkish Cypriots) to be in charge of security. If solution is found, Turkey won't be there to kick around anymore. So now, what do you think of this suggestion.??"

Kikapu , please can we just be serious about this. Are you suggesting that the 82% of Cypriots accept the 18% to police the Island and be put in charge of their security , I hope that this absurd idea is a wind up , you are an educated individual and must surely see the absurdity of this suggestion.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu wrote :

"Respectfully, you're barking at the wrong tree. I said TC's ( Turkish Cypriots) to be in charge of security. If solution is found, Turkey won't be there to kick around anymore. So now, what do you think of this suggestion.??"

Kikapu , please can we just be serious about this. Are you suggesting that the 82% of Cypriots accept the 18% to police the Island and be put in charge of their security , I hope that this absurd idea is a wind up , you are an educated individual and must surely see the absurdity of this suggestion.

I thought the GC's would like to compromise, they get to manage the Government, and the TC's manage the security. Why, don't you trust them to be Cypriots first, and protect everyone equally. Aren't everyone wanting to build bridges and trust between the two communities.? I guess not. So there's a trust issue on both sides after all.!! Well, better stop asking the TC's to trust the majority in everything, from now on.

So Miltiades, how do you propose to set "viewpoints" mind at rest, regarding his own security in the hands of the majority. The other way of course, would be to share everything down the middle at 50-50. Now I'm being silly again, aren't I. There're ways to solve the issues, if we're willing to do so, otherwise, we're just "farting in the wind" with small talk.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu wrote :

"Respectfully, you're barking at the wrong tree. I said TC's ( Turkish Cypriots) to be in charge of security. If solution is found, Turkey won't be there to kick around anymore. So now, what do you think of this suggestion.??"

Kikapu , please can we just be serious about this. Are you suggesting that the 82% of Cypriots accept the 18% to police the Island and be put in charge of their security , I hope that this absurd idea is a wind up , you are an educated individual and must surely see the absurdity of this suggestion.

I thought the GC's would like to compromise, they get to manage the Government, and the TC's manage the security. Why, don't you trust them to be Cypriots first, and protect everyone equally. Aren't everyone wanting to build bridges and trust between the two communities.? I guess not. So there's a trust issue on both sides after all.!! Well, better stop asking the TC's to trust the majority in everything, from now on.

So Miltiades, how do you propose to set "viewpoints" mind at rest, regarding his own security in the hands of the majority. The other way of course, would be to share everything down the middle at 50-50. Now I'm being silly again, aren't I. There're ways to solve the issues, if we're willing to do so, otherwise, we're just "farting in the wind" with small talk.

Günaydın Kardeş-Good Morning Brother

[miltiades]

EU Guarantees, coupled with UN , USA and Britain . I as a Cypriot first , and Greek second would defend with my life the rights of my brothers , the TCs , to enjoy a peaceful and secure co existence with their fellow countrymen the G/Cs. I swear that I would fight on the side of my T/C countrymen if their security was threatened by extremists . Let there be no doubt that Cyprus is the birthplace of all Cypriots who equally share the divine right to be Cypriots in their country. Cant you not see that the extremists are our enemies , that foreign nations are the cause of all our problems.
Viewpoint , Kikapu , both of you are true Cypriots , you must see that we all have to be reasonable and mature in our views , both sides are victims , both sides have valid concerns , both sides want to live in peace with each other , lets make it happen , let us praise our land , CYPRUS .

[Pyrpolizer]

The matter of security is faque. In ANY kind of solution the Tcs will be concentrated in the northern part for eternity and have their own police and security forces. Even if some GC extremists would love to go hurt some TCs they wouldn’t be able to do it. Its like going into the lions cave to kill the lions.
So the Tcs should stop asking for Turkeys presence here, because that’s very dangerous for the GCs and we will never accept it.

The same is true for the economy. The Tcs are afraid the GC economy will strangle the Tc economy -not give it a chance to grow. So they want separate economy and protective measures.This is nonsense. In fact what will stagnate the Tcs economically is a separate economy.

About the matter of assimilation.Yes we will assimilate each other slowly.It may take 500 years. What is the problem with that? Assimilation is good. We the Gcs will become a little turkish the Tcs will become a little Greek.

[andri_cy]

Kikapu wrote :

"Respectfully, you're barking at the wrong tree. I said TC's ( Turkish Cypriots) to be in charge of security. If solution is found, Turkey won't be there to kick around anymore. So now, what do you think of this suggestion.??"

Kikapu , please can we just be serious about this. Are you suggesting that the 82% of Cypriots accept the 18% to police the Island and be put in charge of their security , I hope that this absurd idea is a wind up , you are an educated individual and must surely see the absurdity of this suggestion.

I thought the GC's would like to compromise, they get to manage the Government, and the TC's manage the security. Why, don't you trust them to be Cypriots first, and protect everyone equally. Aren't everyone wanting to build bridges and trust between the two communities.? I guess not. So there's a trust issue on both sides after all.!! Well, better stop asking the TC's to trust the majority in everything, from now on.

So Miltiades, how do you propose to set "viewpoints" mind at rest, regarding his own security in the hands of the majority. The other way of course, would be to share everything down the middle at 50-50. Now I'm being silly again, aren't I. There're ways to solve the issues, if we're willing to do so, otherwise, we're just "farting in the wind" with small talk.

Maybe we could do a reverse percentage for police as we have about government. Where they both are in but one has a bit of majority over the other.

[Iran Forever]

First of all it is Konstantinoupolis, not Istanbul which incidentally comes from the Greek words, "eis tin polin" which was pronounced, "eis tin bolin" and was later corrupted to Istanbul. Going back even further, it was Byzantium, still Greek. :wink:

[miltiades]

It is universally known as Istanbul , and that's exactly the correct name.

Kikapu , the security issue is a two sided coin. I fully appreciate and respect the concerns of Viewpoint and all who share his views. I would not be happy at all , if one section of my people lived under the treat of violence , exploitation and discrimination , and if their daily concerns included amongst them the ultimate concern , the safety of themselves and families. I would be very distressed knowing that my little grand daughter , as well as all other members of my family and of course my countrymen , faced daily fears for their security.
By appointing the guardians and guarantors to be totally independent would alleviate the fears that the vast majority of Cypriots would otherwise experience. Such fears tent to lead to irrational behaviour with detrimental consequences.

[Natty]

Istanbul is the correct name, but it did used to be called Constantinople....

[Natty]

Just in case people didn't know...