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[sniper]

i'm not TURKISH!!!!

[Iran Forever]

I know, you're just CONFUSED Sniper.

[sniper]

i thought he was supporting turkey,, i guess i missed the punch line.. sorry my mistake... still doesn't change the fact that we talk about it for years and years and that's all the action that takes place..

[Natty]

Wow I got confused when I was reading that...

[sniper]

so sorry guys.. was a long day baby sitting my brothers and sisters, and haven't eaten yet.. guess a good point for when they do their talks is to have lots of handy snacks...

[Natty]

Very true!!! Get some nice sugar heavy snakcs, so they can get a good shot of energy!!

[miltiades]

Viewpont , I'm really sorry that we haven't as yet established That illusive bridge of trust between our common communities , I feel so frustrated at times that the mistrust that exists is based mostly on spiteful propaganda , I understand how the majority of T/Cs would wish for Turkey to remain permanently in Cyprus .Are we forgetting the Turkish Cypriot , whose name I forget , in the 16th century that actually fought against the Ottomans demanding an independent Cyprus ?
What will you do with the Anatolian settlers who do not have one iota of common ground with the native T/Cs .I suppose you will grin and bear it .Can you not see that you belong to Cyprus , you are not Turkish mainlanders , you are what we are Cypriots. Do you also appreciate the reasons why your countrymen ,the GCs rejected the plan , that Turkey with a massive record on intransigent behaviour fully supported , why might you ask your self did Turkey , not a nation known for its fair-minded policies or its respect for human rights , accepted fully this plan ?
You have to give and take , and Turkey gave nothing , just took. Well no sir , we will not see our island annexed to a foreign power , we will resist with your help and we will build that bridge , and unlike the roads of Cyprus that the Annan Plan divided between the two communities , this time the bridge will be the property of all Cypriots.
A lot has been said on the Annan plan , during the period of negotiations I was screaming at the ROC stupidity in even proceeding with negotiations on such a futile , useless plan that dared to call itself a reunification plan !! My ass.Even the fucking roads were split into two , the police stations were split in two, the government was spilt into two , we even had two fucking presidents for god sake.
It was a plan that would ensure the destruction of Cyprus for eternity.
I hope to be in Cyprus towards the end of July , would love to meet up and share a drink with you.

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas

VP, why both ends of the stick are shitty? Why are the GCs the devil you do not know?

GCs were the devil we knew before but want to forget. After 32 years you were hopefully going to no longer be a devil but the last 2 years have proved you are a new devil and potentially just as dangerous.

The ends of the stick are both shitty in the sense that which ever way we turn there are 2 numerically larger populations who will in time assimilate us, the differences being their track record. One is where we originally come from and has been by our sides through thick and thin for the last 46 years. The other tired to annialate us and now wants not us but the land and political control over our future.

What you want is to have a 50:50 power sharing and a veto on everything, even through you are only the 18% of Cypriots,

Not true, we want to be able to have a fair say in the running of the country but need safety valves to ensure decision are made that will effect our community more negatively than the GCs.

and to also become the sole owners of the north area (state) of Cyprus (as if it has always and historically been your country alone,)

Not true a united Cyprus would belong to us all but as we are the majority in the north state we would be responsbile for the running of the north.

and also to have Cyprus become a protectorate of Turkey in various forms and shapes;

We want protection that the past will not happen again, would you agree to scraping Gtees and putting in place a mechanism that would ensure neither side renegade on agreements or try to exploit or domainte the other community whereby if this was found to be the case Cyprus would automatically become 2 seperate countries?
Our desire is to deter and ensure that the past does not repeat itself.

and in exchange you give us a portion of the anyway excessive territory that Turkey occupies illegally, and even this small portion that you give in exchange happens to be the scrappiest territories of the occupied north.

Maras/Varoshia and Guzelyurt/Omorfo are some of the best parts of the island, even Papadops village was going to be returned. But if the whole island is going to ours but run by each community then whats mine is yours and whats yours is mine.

Is this a fair and logical deal you are asking to do with us? No it isn't! What you are asking us amounts to capitulation, and this is why we do not have a solution yet, and not because of the foolish propaganda slogans that you tell everybody internationally, namely that all we want is to dominate you and convert you into an insignificant and powerless minority and which you do not believe even yourselves to be true.

I think you really need reassess TCs as you do not understand or maybe you do not wnat to understand us and our concerns. Dismissing them will not make them go away. We are not unreasonable people unfortunately we bring out the worst in each other and therefore are sometimes unable to understand the other side.

[Viewpoint]

miltiades

Viewpont , I'm really sorry that we haven't as yet established That illusive bridge of trust between our common communities , I feel so frustrated at times that the mistrust that exists is based mostly on spiteful propaganda

Actions speak louder than words and unfortunately I am not impressed with your administration. (nor mine) I would expect them to build bridges instead they have been sucessful in alienating the TC people.

I understand how the majority of T/Cs would wish for Turkey to remain permanently in Cyprus .

Im glad you have acknowledged this because its very important to us and makes us feel safe and not exposed fanantics or GC guard. This has also been imho a good deterrant to those who wanted to get back at TCs after 1974 many GCs still carry that venom caled vegence in their brains which si very dangerous.

What will you do with the Anatolian settlers who do not have one iota of common ground with the native T/Cs .I suppose you will grin and bear it .Can you not see that you belong to Cyprus , you are not Turkish mainlanders ,

What ever Germans do with Turks and whatever you guys do with Pontian Greeks.

you are what we are Cypriots. Do you also appreciate the reasons why your countrymen

then start treating us as equals.

Do you also appreciate the reasons why your countrymen ,the GCs rejected the plan , that Turkey with a massive record on intransigent behaviour fully supported , why might you ask your self did Turkey , not a nation known for its fair-minded policies or its respect for human rights , accepted fully this plan ?
You have to give and take , and Turkey gave nothing , just took. Well no sir , we will not see our island annexed to a foreign power , we will resist with your help and we will build that bridge , and unlike the roads of Cyprus that the Annan Plan divided between the two communities , this time the bridge will be the property of all Cypriots.
A lot has been said on the Annan plan , during the period of negotiations I was screaming at the ROC stupidity in even proceeding with negotiations on such a futile , useless plan that dared to call itself a reunification plan !! My ass.Even the fucking roads were split into two , the police stations were split in two, the government was spilt into two , we even had two fucking presidents for god sake.
It was a plan that would ensure the destruction of Cyprus for eternity.

This is your opinion and i respect it I dont have to agree with it.

I hope to be in Cyprus towards the end of July , would love to meet up and share a drink with you.

Thank you for your kind offer but no thanks you are a minority in a sea of Kifeas's and Piratis who will keep us divided for a long while to come and do more bad than good, I only wish they realized this fact and tried to change to meet us half way.

I do not want to get arrested coming accross for having swam in a swimming pool built on GC land.

[Iran Forever]

My dear Militiades, I know I have no business saying this to you as a non-Cypriot, but from what I've seen from Turkish Cypriots (check out their website atcanews.org, click on Thoughts/Ideas (on Cyprus), then click on ATCA Noticeboard and read each posting carefully), they are now possessed by this pan-Turkism and Mother Turkey stuff which has eroded any sense they have left of being Cypriots first. True, some Turkish Cypriots may see themselves as Cypriots first, but the majority of them have not allowed their Turkishness to be subsumed or superceded by their "Cypriotness". They are Turks first as far as they are concerned.
"We are all Cypriots" might make nice lyrics for a peace song, but in the real world, it doesn't quite hold.