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Re: No solution on the horizon! Turkey remains intransigent.

Postby Kifeas » Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:43 pm

Kifeas wrote:No solution on the horizon! Turkey remains adamant, intransigent and entrenched behind the scandalously favorable to their objectives, ill-conceived and thus failed Annan plan, despite Talat’s reluctant willingness the other day to negotiate a solution even from scratch.

Gul, after meeting with Ibrahim Gambari -the U.N. undersecretary general for political affairs that visited Turkey yesterday, expressed his intransigent position that Turkey attributes high importance that no shift should happen in the parameters of the Annan plan. Unfortunately, no new UN initiative can take place any time soon, since I doubt that Mr. Talat -despite his expressed desire to dis-entrench himself from the strict frames of the Annan plan, will dare to go against the will and the views of the "neo-ottoman empire" in the north of Cyprus.


In a new round of provocative, intransigent and unproductive comments, the foreign minister of the “neo-ottoman empire,” Abdullah Gül, said last night that a solution can only be found in Cyprus upon acknowledgement and acceptance of the realities on the island. Of course, what he meant with “realities” is not the fact that Cyprus is a fully fletched member of the UN and internationally recognised sovereign entity and now a member of the EU, and that the “sick man of Europe” is illegally occupying part of its territory after having committed a property usurping and ethnic cleansing of the Greek Cypriots from the north.

The “realities” about which the FM of the “sick man of Europe” is talking about, are those calling for the de facto (de jure for the “sick man”) "existence" of two "Nation-states" in Cyprus (forgetting of course that this is only due to the illegal fait accomplices of his country,) that should now form a central bond between them under a confederation solution model, and because this was more or less the disguised philosophy of the ill-conceived and (thanks god) failed Annan plan, he doesn’t want to hear any discussion on shifting away from its parameters.

Abdullah Gül! Soon you will find out what the realities are in Cyprus, when the “neo-ottoman empire” gets the boot from the EU court-yards, and when your country is also expelled from the Council of Europe, once the Republic of Cyprus demands from it to take measures for the execution of the bi-government “Cyprus vs. Turkey” ruling of the ECHR, which found your country guilty of numerous human rights violations and ethnic cleansing in Cyprus.
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Postby Iran Forever » Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:41 pm

Kifeas, we Iranians would love to join you Greeks in an alliance against Turkey. A Russian-Iranian-Armenian-Greek alliance is my dream. Turkey and Azerbaijan have done nothing but export their pan-Turkism (pan-Turdism), pan-Turanism, and Bozkurt ideology to Iran's ethnic Azerbaijanis, creating unrest in our northern provinces. We support Cypriot Greeks and Armenians. Azerbaijan, Turkey's little sister, has done nothing but make trouble for Iran, inciting Azerbaijanis in northern Iran, all with the goal of turning northern Iran into part of a Greater Azerbaijan. Baku regime continues to refer to northern Iran as "South Azerbaijan Province".
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Postby Simon » Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:59 pm

[quote]we Iranians would love to join you Greeks in an alliance against Turkey[/quote]

Lets make it happen! :D
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:26 pm

miltiades wrote:Don't kid yourself , Turkey wont walk away from the EU , Not for Cyprus not for anyone else.
She will go along just as all the other members , including the most stubborn of them all the UK.
Are you suggesting that Turkey does not consider membership of the EU important enough so as to show flexibility in solving the Cyprus problem .



miltiades Turkey cannot open her ports if she wanted as this would mean recognition of the "RoC" and the implications this entails eg derecognization of the TRNC which would also mean she is would be in a very uncomfortbale situation with the Turkish army being on "RoC" soil. Recognition is not possible until a comprehensive solution has been agreed, there fore either both sides will find a compromise under the EU or Turkey EU aspiration will be put into the freezer.
Where will that leave the "RoC"? waiting for the ice to thaw if it ever does?
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Postby Kifeas » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:45 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
miltiades wrote:Don't kid yourself , Turkey wont walk away from the EU , Not for Cyprus not for anyone else.
She will go along just as all the other members , including the most stubborn of them all the UK.
Are you suggesting that Turkey does not consider membership of the EU important enough so as to show flexibility in solving the Cyprus problem .



miltiades Turkey cannot open her ports if she wanted as this would mean recognition of the "RoC" and the implications this entails eg derecognization of the TRNC which would also mean she is would be in a very uncomfortbale situation with the Turkish army being on "RoC" soil. Recognition is not possible until a comprehensive solution has been agreed, there fore either both sides will find a compromise under the EU or Turkey EU aspiration will be put into the freezer.
Where will that leave the "RoC"? waiting for the ice to thaw if it ever does?


Then Turkey should put aside its neo-ottoman, pan-turanist, megalomaniac and expansionist illusions and dreams with Cyprus, and work towards the right direction of finding a solution in Cyprus, and live aside intransigent and unproductive positions and slogans, like Gul and Erdogan are saying. You ask where the "RoC" will be left, if Turkey’s accession process is derailed. It will be there were it was for 32 years, and grow even stronger politically and economically, until Turkey decides to change its policies. The question you should ask is "where this will live you, the TCs?"
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:52 pm

You know that a Turkey without a EU perspective and the "RoC" with no EU leverage will mean TCs will and the north will be gradually absorbed and annexed to Turkey. Which ever way we TCs turn the ends of the stick are both shitty. At least this side is how do they say it better the devil you know and have forged strong relations with over the last 46 years, the other side is a unknown, leap into the darkness. (There are even people in the south preparing for war and just a weak moment in time to attack us in our beds)
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Postby Iran Forever » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:54 pm

Excuse me Viewpoint, annexing "Turkish" Northern Cyprus would be a violation of the Treaty of Guarantee, wouldn't it?
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:03 pm

A Turkey with no obligations to the EU would mean Turkey could in theory do what she wanteded and annex the TRNC to mainland Turkey. And tell the world to go to hell. Then Iran there would be no guarantees just another part of Turkey.
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Postby Iran Forever » Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:12 pm

S-K-M senin Turkiyeni...IRAN will NEVER be a part of TURDEY.
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Postby sniper » Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:16 pm

i may be just a little immature with political matters and all.. but wouldn't the matter just make more sense if the un did something.. like tell turkey to pack their bags and go back to their turkey and stop calling our cyprus the 'turkish side'.. i mean what's with that? the war and all is over.. cyprus has it's independence and we still have to share our land with those who stole what they have?
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