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[Socrates]

Bill just ignore him.

He have problem to deal with reality and he just imaginate things.

Actually is not his fault some other’s psychopaths have put this demons in his mind.

I agree with everything what you are saying but there is a problem in Cyprus with people that they are saying the truth, so is better to mind your own business and keep your head and your heart clear.

Let us deal with our psychology problems.

[Kifeas]

I think we also have to consider the thousands of houses built on Turkish land in the ROC and I'm not talking about the refugee estates built post 1974 .

I'm talking villa style houses built in the last 4 years where the government has given a portion of TC land and a small grant / payment towards the building of a house -- which is still theft and exploiting TC owned land.

Some of these houses are bigger and better than I could ever afford to buy -- ok they will never have the title deeds but I can't see them being knocked down either.

Is it ok then for the builders and architects of these properties to be arrested if they cross over to the occupied part.

Bill, can you please provide the source of your claim that holiday villas were built on Turkish Cypriot land in the south, because I am not aware of such a case?

I think it is also proper to let you know that the (maximum) use of TC land in the south by the RoC, for the construction of all types of legitimate projects (infrastructure or refugee housing) doesn't exceed 1/2 percent (0.5%) of all the TC land in the south. The total of the TC land in the south is less than 1/3 of all the GC land in the occupied north, but in terms of real estate value (both values constant and based on the south prices,) is less than 1/6. The real estate value of the GC owned land in the area north of Kyrenia mountains (along the north coast and from the sea to the north mountain slopes) represents only about 4% of all the GC land in the north, but in terms of real estate value it represents more than 15% of the total real estate value of GC land in the north. Nearly all these GC land in the above said area has been usurped and been developed by the TCs and other foreigners, and alone it is almost equal to the total real estate value of all the TC land in the south. If we include the coast line areas north of Famagusta which represent another 10% of the total GC real estate value in the north, and which have nearly all been affected, were are we going? The TCs have usurped and developed land in the north which has already exceeded the total value of TC land in the south.

And what are you doing?

You are trying to make an issue, and trying give the impression of equivalence of practices between the two sides, when in the south we have used only half percent of the TC land in the south and where even if we ever use the 100% of the TC land in the south, it will still be quite less in terms of value than what the TCs have already used in the north (and they are still going on.)

What you are doing is basically to add insult to injury with your comments!

[miltiades]

Socrates , WELCOME !!
I do hope that you will find it in your heart to show tolerance towards all Cypriots .We are all responsible for the unpleasant aspects in our island , but we are also extremely privileged to belong to the paradise Island that Cyprus is. No wonder we all want a part of it.
Kifeas , you are correct in your last post regarding appropriation of T/C land in the RoC.

[Socrates]

http://www.naftemporiki.gr/news/story.asp?id=1014411

''Η Μάχη'' με τον τίτλο ''Οργανωμένο κύκλωμα λυμαίνεται τ/κ περιουσίες'' γράφει στο κύριο θέμα ότι, εδώ και αρκετό καιρό, κρατικοί λειτουργοί, εργολάβοι, κτηματομεσίτες και άλλοι, ''οι οποίοι εμπλέκονται σε οργανωμένο κύκλωμα, λυμαίνονται τουρκοκυπριακές περιουσίες, κυρίως στην επαρχία Λάρνακας αλλά και σε άλλες επαρχίες, κερδίζοντας εκατομμύρια λίρες''. Σε άλλο θέμα γράφει ότι οι Κούρδοι που διαμένουν στην Κύπρο διαδήλωσαν χθες στην Πλατεία Ελευθερίας στη Λευκωσία και, δεμένοι συμβολικά με αλυσίδες, κρατώντας φωτογραφίες και φωνάζοντας συνθήματα, ζητούσαν την απελευθέρωση του ηγέτη τους Αμπντουλάχ Οτσαλάν, ο οποίος κρατείται από το 1999 σε τουρκικές φυλακές υψίστης ασφαλείας.


http://www.politis.com.cy/cgibin/hweb?- ... oiarticles

Δήλωσε χαρακτηριστικά ο κ. Ματσάκης στον Αντέννα:

"Αυτοί οι οποίοι κατοικούν πάνω σε γυάλινα σπίτια και ιδιαίτερα όταν αυτά είναι κτισμένα πάνω σε τουρκοκυπριακές περιουσίες δεν πρέπει να μιλάνε. Έγινε αρκετός σάλος στο παρελθόν για το θέμα του κ. Κλεάνθους για τα οικόπεδα πάνω στα οποία είναι κτισμένο το σπίτι του στη Λάρνακα. Όμως αυτό το θέμα δεν ξεκαθάρισε και μην πει ότι είναι "ξαναβρασμένο φαΐ" και άλλες δικαιολογίες. Δεν ξεκαθάρισε αυτό το θέμα. Θέλω να μιλήσει ανοικτά για την εταιρεία στην οποία ήταν σύμβουλος, ήταν γραμματέας, ήτανε... τι ήτανε. Να μιλήσει ανοικτά και να πει πώς βρέθηκε να έχει αυτά τα οικόπεδα. Θα υπάρχει βεβαίως σχετική κάλυψη. Να βγει και να τα πει και όχι να έρχεται και να μου κάνει επίθεση εμένα γιατί ξέρει πολύ καλά ότι υπάρχουν πράγματα που πρέπει να τα μάθει ο κυπριακός λαός και θα τα μάθει και για τον Κλεάνθους και για τους υπόλοιπους".

I’m sorry about the Greek if you want translation I will do it.

It’s just some examples about the t/c properties.

We are not living in the dream world of Kifeas and Piratis and there is actually criminals between us .

The newspaper Mahi and Alitheia have posted many information about this subject but since they are not on-line no one interested to promote this matter but I’ll bring more information about the properties of Mr Pitokopitis on t/c land in Pafos and many more interesting things.

What Bill has said is the truth.

Actually there is a real estate company the selling t/c properties which is owned by a son of ex district attorney.

[Socrates]

Thanks Militiades.

[Sotos]

Socrates , WELCOME !!

WELCOME AGAIN webmagus, zoppovortoi, Socrates

[Socrates]

Who are you?

[Socrates]

I’ve found a touching article and I suggest it to everyone to read it.

Is about two TC’s were sacrifice their life for a united Cyprus.

Unfortunately the article is in Greece.

I will also suggest it to Piratis it could help him with his psychotherapy.


http://www.makarios.ws/cgibin/hweb?-A=1468&-V=index

[Antreis]

The question is whether the arrest of a criminal collaborator will solve the problem altogether?
No ,one arrest will not solve the problem, many more arrests have to be made including members of the so called government of the occupied areas.
The criminal activity goes on for many years and many people are involved ; architects , builders, agents,"naive" customers,smart ass customers, turkish military, bankers,lawyers,accountants and so on.Each one has a different role and responsibility in the act of stealing and dealing with stolen properties.Including in the above list of thugs are also foreigners mostly citizens of EC.
If Turkish Cypriots want Cyprus to be reunited they should stop collaborating with the organized crime factions of the north and try to bring all those criminals to justice.

[sadik]

I agree, arresting that Architect is perfectly justified, end of story.
Now any other TC architect will think twice before taking a job.
Its a good demostration for others.

Next stage, pubic decapitation

The only thing that this kind of behavior will achieve is further alienate the TCs and the GCs from each other. The problem in Cyprus is not a problem of criminal law and it is not a problem between individuals. The fact of the matter is that there are 40000 Turkish troops in the north, and Papadopoulos can do NOTHING about this, neither he has the desire to do anything about it, and he decides to go after individual TCs as if it's their fault. What is next? Am I also going to be arrested the next time I visit my GC friends, because I sold a case of diet coke and beer to construction workers?

The only thing that can effectively stop the construction on the GC property is a solution. And there is no hope in that area. For gods sake, it will have taken 2 years for Papadopoulos to meet Talat over a cup of cofee, if the meeting takes place today. What are we supposed to do as TCs? Wait for another 30 years, until the GCs come to terms with their unwillingless to share anything with the TCs, and accept to live in poverty indefinetly so that we "keep our motivation for a solution".

The only outcome of this kind of developments will be that the TCs will stop using the Larnaka airport and they will stop shopping at Marks and Spencer. This is the achievement they are after?