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[zoppovortoi]

He is insulting me and just like Piratis I’m crying to the admin.

This is the truth and if you don’t like go to Mikelidis to fix you..

[Piratis]

Piratis, please don't take this personally, but as my ex-girlfriend use to say, "excuses are like assholes, everybody has one". If you're going to defend one action, you should also defend another, by demanding the release of this architect, otherwise, soon they would be arresting anyone taking a piss on someone elses land. Now, how would that look for a country with European values that you like to trumpet it all the time.

Excuses are needed when you do something illegal. Expropriating land to built an airport is not illegal, stealing the properties of others it is. So when are the excuses for the illegalities stop?

Piratis and Kifeas are very good examples of why we will be divided for many many years to come, the sad part is that they do not realize they do more bad that good to reuniting this island. They drive us further and further away from wanting a united island and closer and closer to status quo and division.

As Kikapu's ex-girlfriend use to say, "excuses are like assholes, everybody has one". You and your kind wanted partition for decades. You will always find some lame excuse for your criminal illegal actions.
However your lame excuses do not count. All it counts are those 40.000 Turkish troops that force illegality and violate the sovereignty of RoC. Be certain that the balance of power will not always favor Turkey, and when that happens I hope you will not insist that TCs and GCs can not live together because at that time it will not be the GCs that will be ethnically cleansed to satisfy your lame excuses.

zoppovorto, you lost the elections, you lost in the referendum, you are looser in general. Just accept that and move on. Stop crying and bitching like a litle girl.

Most Cypriots demand respect to their human and democratic rights, just like every self respecting person would demand. Nothing more and nothing less. We demand nothing more that what every other EU citizen has. If you are a masochist with no self respect and dignity then you can go and live as a second category citizen somewhere else (become a Kurd and go live in Turkey for example). Beyond that you have NO RIGHT to demand from us to accept violations to our human and democratic rights.

[zoppovortoi]

Admin Piratis insult me.

My dear little brainless nationalist I’m just saying the truth.
Get over it. Take your pills

[Kikapu]

Piratis, please don't take this personally, but as my ex-girlfriend use to say, "excuses are like assholes, everybody has one". If you're going to defend one action, you should also defend another, by demanding the release of this architect, otherwise, soon they would be arresting anyone taking a piss on someone elses land. Now, how would that look for a country with European values that you like to trumpet it all the time.

Excuses are needed when you do something illegal. Expropriating land to built an airport is not illegal, stealing the properties of others it is. So when are the excuses for the illegalities stop?.

Piratis,

Oh, I get it now. So it's like, if you find a wallet with money inside and it also has the owners address in it, and you keep the wallet, it would be concidered as if you're stealing someone elses property, but if the wallet does not have the owners address in it, then it is kept for save keepings until the owner shows up one day, but in the meantime you can continue to use his money. Is this what you ment to say.??

[Piratis]

Oh, I get it now. So it's like, if you find a wallet with money inside and it also has the owners address in it, and you keep the wallet, it would be concidered as if you're stealing someone elses property, but if the wallet does not have the owners address in it, then it is kept for save keepings until the owner shows up one day, but in the meantime you can continue to use his money. Is this what you ment to say.??

No. What I am saying is that a country expropriating some property to build airports, roads etc is something legal. Stealing property and using it to build villas to be sold to others is something illegal.

[Bill]

Hello Miltiades

No I'm not Despo -- well at least not the last time I looked -- and I don't think my wife would be to pleased if I was -- on second thoughts that might be interesting .

No I did not go straight for the political posts / threads but I must admit I have read most of them -- well until some started getting silly and I gave up.

Out of 25 posts only the last few are connected to the Cyprus problem and that is only because I was interested in why new villa's were being built on TC land and the legality of the building .

No I'm not putting myself above everybody else -- what I have always done is look at problems with a common sense kind of logic -- something that is often lacking in posts made by some posters --- I think with my head not my heart.

There is nothing wrong with being patriotic it's the few that take it to far that are the problem -- whether they are Greek or Turkish Cypriots -- the end result is the same -- mistrust -- hate and no chance of living together in peace.

You must admit that a few posters on this forum are consumed by hate and bitterness whether it's towards the Turkish -- the Turkish Cypriots --the Greek Cypriots or the British --- they seem to have their own agenda and continue blindly with out seeing any other viewpoint.

You are correct ( in my personal view ) a succcessful yes vote would have indeed resulted in renewed inter communal fighting -- the only Cypriots I know who voted yes were those who had lots to gain having been displaced from the Famagusta area's--- they had total disregard for their fellow Cypriots who had lost land and properties in other area's -- pretty selfish in my opinion.

My home in Cyprus is not in the stereotype Brit only complex -- it's in a residential area with only one brit owning a home in the neighbourhood -- and he's married to a Cypriot lady so I don't know if he count's or not --- I'm often invited to enjoy souvla at my neighbours houses and of course join in the conversation -- the Cyprus problem sometimes gets talked about but I'm very diplomatic re my views except for the simple fact that Cyprus is for Cypriots -- it doesn't matter if they are Turkish or Greek -- the word is Cypriots -- and I don't count the Turkish settlers or military in this .

If you read part of one of my posts re GC's and TC's living in harmony in the UK you can perhaps see what I would like to see in Cyprus -- sadly I don't think it's ever going to happen.

I'm convinced that the only reason the borders were opened and GC's were at last allowed to visit their homes in the occupied north was to provoke more unrest and therefore prove that GC's could not live along side TC's as they would always fight -- thus proving that the occupation army was still needed -- it didn't happen and GC's are still visiting the north -- without any problems -- and I'm proud of them for being so sensible .

I shall be in Cyprus within the next week and will stay for 8 weeks --I do hope my colonialist money will be accepted without to much trouble -- and the Cypriots in general will be pleased to see me.

If only the British holidaymakers knew how much some Cypriots hate them -- I doubt they would ever come to Cyprus again -- even more so when you think how cheap Spain and dare I mention it Turkey are at moment.

Yes Miltiades I will continue looking at posts on this forum and will reply if I have something worthwhile to say -- but I doubt if it will be of a political nature --- Tesco supermarkets are doing some nice packs of washed turnips at the moment at a very reasonable price -- they must be in season

The original question I posted which started this still hasn't been answered re the legality of villa's ( for GC's only without deeds) being built on TC land in some villages -- this is happening now -- not 30 years ago to accommodate refugees -- I would still like someone to give me an answer to this -- or perhaps most of you don't know this is happening .

Regards from ------ Bill -- a refugee from another country

[Piratis]

I shall be in Cyprus within the next week and will stay for 8 weeks --I do hope my colonialist money will be accepted without to much trouble -- and the Cypriots in general will be pleased to see me.

If only the British holidaymakers knew how much some Cypriots hate them -- I doubt they would ever come to Cyprus again -- even more so when you think how cheap Spain and dare I mention it Turkey are at moment.

Bill, your money in Cyprus can buy food, accommodation, services etc. Our dignity and human rights are not for sale. If you expect from Cypriots to sacrifice their dignity then take your money and shove them up your a$$. Sorry I could not make the point in a more polite way, but I wanted to make it clear that we are no beggars as apparently believe.

Cypriots do not hate anybody just because of his nationality (apart from a minority of racists that exists in every country). What Cypriots hate are those that endorse and support the violations of their rights, no matter where they come from.

If you show respect to Cypriots, you will receive respect from them. From what you are saying I understood you are careful not to offend anybody in your personal contacts in Cyprus. Why don't you do the same here?

[miltiades]

Thanks for the clarification , Bill , I'm certain our views are identical , I have no views on the number of properties currently being build on T/C land , If I did , you already have answered that there is a huge difference from properties being build on G/C land in the occupied part. The T/C land's building , house etc comes without
deeds and therefore strictly speaking can not be described as a tangible asset by the inhabitant or inhabitants and can never be sold , the same can not be said for the other side.

In my very first post way back in April , I made the same comments regarding British money gratefully accepted and actively encouraged to be invested in properties , I also mentioned a fact , that if the British tourists , currently in excess of 60 % of total Cyprus tourists , stayed away from Cyprus , the economy would collapse , there is no doubt about that.

From the beginning I stated that I'm extremely pro-American and intensely dedicated to the preservation of the Western world culture.

I have tremendous love for Cyprus and its people , we have a unique culture in many respects , and it is shared by the main two communities. I believe that in not too many years from now , the changing demographics of Cyprus , will be much more evident than at present , I think my friend Kalahari mentioned in his last post a figure of 10% being the representative number of Brits residing in Cyprus , I have no other details on this figure but it sounds quite impressive.

Finally I'm so pleased you are not Despo , and my apologies for making such an assumption.

[Bill]

Bill, your money in Cyprus can buy food, accommodation, services etc. Our dignity and human rights are not for sale. If you expect from Cypriots to sacrifice their dignity then take your money and shove them up your a$$. Sorry I could not make the point in a more polite way, but I wanted to make it clear that we are no beggars as apparently believe.

Cypriots do not hate anybody just because of his nationality (apart from a minority of racists that exists in every country). What Cypriots hate are those that endorse and support the violations of their rights, no matter where they come from.

If you show respect to Cypriots, you will receive respect from them. From what you are saying I understood you are careful not to offend anybody in your personal contacts in Cyprus. Why don't you do the same here?

Piratis ----
I can't really see where you have got your idea's from about me -- I care very much about Cyprus and Cypriots and when I come to live there will fit very nicely into the community and don't really understand your comments about offending folk with my posts -- if the truth hurts -- well tough -- and you have still failed to give a satisfactory reply to my question re villa's built on TC land which is very convienent of you to ignore .

I also fail to understand how I'm affecting your dignity and believe you are begging.

I've re read my posts and firmly believe there is nothing there that suggests this.

If you read your posts there is a marked difference -- cutting comments such as colonialist attitude do not help further your cause.

You don't have to sell your soul to the tourists or the foreign house buyers but it is a fact that without that income Cyprus would not have such a strong economy -- and no matter what kind of work you do -- you personally will get the benefits indirectly from this income in some way or another.

I'm personally shocked at the building frenzy in Cyprus at present by those that see Cyprus as one big building plot dedicated to fleece the foreign buyers --- your comrades are selling Cyprus from under your feet.

Most Cypriots are racist to a degree -- see how sri lankans are treated by some of their employers-- see how they are treated by the shop keepers -- sadly Cypriots have much to learn about human rights --which is something that you say you require but are not prepared to show others.

I quote one of your posts below and if you think its ok well fine for you but I didn't think it was very nice and although there may be an element of truth there it could have been put across better --- it seemed to show a level of hate not shared by the majority of Cypriots

Does it bother you that much that your former slaves, even the refugees, that you tried to destroy with so much passion, have managed to do more than you did in your life?

Get over it Bill. Cyprus belongs to Cypriots and not to colonialist pigs. If asking for the freedom for my country, for democracy and for human rights is called "nationalism" then sure I am.

You British, who had NOTHING to do in Cyprus which is 1000s of miles away from your country, and yet you insisted on ruling over our island and trying to destroy us, should be the last ones talking. Try an apology for the crimes you committed against us, and forget about lecturing us. If you don't want to apologize because you agree with what Britain did to their colonies, and in Cyprus in particular, the best you can do is to be silent.

I'm afraid your one sided attitude stinks and I'm convinced you are baiting posters for your own little bit of fun -- seeing how you taunt some of the TC's on this forum reinforces this.

It seems that if something fits in with your agenda it's ok -- if it doesn't you blindly ignore it

Anyway I hope you get the Cyprus you desire as probably no one else will want it by then

Here's hoping for a Cyprus enjoyed by both Greek / Turkish Cypriots and the foreign property owners living in harmony

No more fishing please as the bait has gone sour and the pond is empty

Bill

[Bill]

Thanks for the clarification , Bill , I'm certain our views are identical , Finally I'm so pleased you are not Despo , and my apologies for making such an assumption.

So it seems miltiades -- I think we are both looking for the same thing -- a united Cyprus with all of us living in harmony.

And no problem with the Despo thing --- although you did have me checking my self a couple of times to make sure

regards Bill