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[andri_cy]

I think that we would all like to believe that you are wrong Bill, but sadly I think that you are a bit spot on.

[Piratis]

Ok, Bill from London, you know better what WE want.

Cypriots should have the right to move and live anywhere in Cyprus that they want to. If a person is from Kerynia and he now wants to live in Limassol thats his right. What nobody has the right is to take away their property and to ethnically cleanse them from their own land. NOBODY wants to donate his own property to the Turkish invaders.

Refugees are given some land to house themselves temporarily. No title deeds are given to them if the property belongs to TCs.

Title deeds are given in cases the refugees are housed in state land, and probably this is where you got confused.

Beyond that if the refugee can afford to build a villa then whats your problem? Should they always live in misery just so they will not make you feel bad that even a refugee has managed more in his life than you did?

[zoppovortoi]

90 000 was going back under GC authority and at least 60 000 had the right to go back under TC authority.

Every single thing pirates says is nationalistic paranoia.

I can answer to him very badly but I’m waiting to see him explode while he is fighting with his nationalistic demons and his paranoiac dreams.

[Bill]

Ok, Bill from London, you know better what WE want.

Cypriots should have the right to move and live anywhere in Cyprus that they want to. If a person is from Kerynia and he now wants to live in Limassol thats his right. What nobody has the right is to take away their property and to ethnically cleanse them from their own land. NOBODY wants to donate his own property to the Turkish invaders.

Refugees are given some land to house themselves temporarily. No title deeds are given to them if the property belongs to TCs.

Title deeds are given in cases the refugees are housed in state land, and probably this is where you got confused.

Beyond that if the refugee can afford to build a villa then whats your problem? Should they always live in misery just so they will not make you feel bad that even a refugee has managed more in his life than you did?

I'll make one thing plain from right for the start I do not intend to have a slanging match with you as from reading your previous posts I have found them to be fanatically nationalistic towards the Greek Cypriots -- it's this attidude that will ensure that there will never be a solution to the problem and if by some chance there is a solution they will do their utmost to destroy it.

There are the same kind on the TC side and both of you together will only fuel the mistrust and hate between the GC's and TC's and is part of the reason Cyprus is in the state it's in now --- note I did say part of the reason and not the whole reason .

As it goes you and your TC counterparts are in the minority and for that I'm pretty gratefull .

You mention that I live in London and what would I know -- at least I have the guts to put my location on my profile which you seem to have missed doing -- and you have no idea of who I am or my history or for that matter how "I know so much " you never know I might be one of your own .

I am well aware that some refugee housing was built on GC land and if you took time to read my post you will see I acknowledge this I am also aware that title deeds are given to those refugees given housing on GC government land AND that title deeds are NOT given to those housed on TC land -- you really should concentrate more whilst reading others posts.

What I'm concerned about is the level of building at the moment and by that I mean now / today /yesterday last month in fact during the last 4 years on TC owned land when the government stated a few years ago that it would not do so and that TC land would be kept in trust awaiting a solution to the problem -- the occupants of these villa's are not refugees in the strict sense and I question the legality of building on TC land NOW 32 years after the event.
Ok they will never have the deeds so they can't sell them ( which could be a problem if the couple divorce -- how can you have half of something that has no value ) -- and I can't see them being knocked down either if the TC landowner decides he wants his land back.

I can assure you that I'm not confused in fact I'm shocked that I know as much as you and perhaps in some aspects obviously more.

One thing that has always amazed me is how well GC's and TC's get on with each other when living abroad -- working and living together--even attending each others childrens weddings -- then they come to Cyprus on holiday and instantly hate each other -- when they return they meet --talk of the holiday and get back to the business of living together -- if only it could be that simple in Cyprus

I would love to see EVERYBODY return to their homes -- be they GC's or TC's and I would like everybody to live in harmony and work towards the greater good of Cyprus but some how I don't think it's going to happen even more so when you think of the fanatical hatered that exists on both sides --neither side is innocent -- the fact there is a large Turkish army and a huge amount of Turkish settlers in the north doesn't help -- ironically most of the sensible TC's are none to happy about this as well.

At least I haven't seen any Greek soldiers ( kalamaras ?) on the south side for a couple of years now so we must be getting somewhere -- unless you are going to tell me they were never here or perhaps I'm not looking hard enough

Right thats it --the end -- when I first joined this forum I was disapointed to see that it was very political and at times full of hate -- I vowed never to join in on any political discusion -- I've broke my promise to my self -- but it will never happen again --- you can argue amomongst yourselves til the cows come home --fuel your hate to your hearts content --it won't make a bit of difference to any future solution--that my friend is out of our / your control .

I'll stick to replying to posts about the price of turnips at the local supermarket in future -- much safer and more easy on the old blood pressure

Bill

[Piratis]

Bill, are the majority of British still carrying the old colonialist attitude to their former slaves? Does it bother you that much that your former slaves, even the refugees, that you tried to destroy with so much passion, have managed to do more than you did in your life?

Get over it Bill. Cyprus belongs to Cypriots and not to colonialist pigs. If asking for the freedom for my country, for democracy and for human rights is called "nationalism" then sure I am.

You British, who had NOTHING to do in Cyprus which is 1000s of miles away from your country, and yet you insisted on ruling over our island and trying to destroy us, should be the last ones talking. Try an apology for the crimes you committed against us, and forget about lecturing us. If you don't want to apologize because you agree with what Britain did to their colonies, and in Cyprus in particular, the best you can do is to be silent.

[Bill]

I think that we would all like to believe that you are wrong Bill, but sadly I think that you are a bit spot on.

Thank you andria --

Bill

[zoppovortoi]

Bill I’m sorry about this insane Cypriot we are not all the same

[Bill]

Bill, are the majority of British still carrying the old colonialist attitude to their former slaves? Does it bother you that much that your former slaves, even the refugees, that you tried to destroy with so much passion, have managed to do more than you did in your life?

Get over it Bill. Cyprus belongs to Cypriots and not to colonialist pigs. If asking for the freedom for my country, for democracy and for human rights is called "nationalism" then sure I am.

You British, who had NOTHING to do in Cyprus which is 1000s of miles away from your country, and yet you insisted on ruling over our island and trying to destroy us, should be the last ones talking. Try an apology for the crimes you committed against us, and forget about lecturing us. If you don't want to apologize because you agree with what Britain did to their colonies, and in Cyprus in particular, the best you can do is to be silent.

Sorry Pirtis -- no go -- try fishing in another pond -- you might get a bite but on second thoughts your not very bright so I doubt it .

I've a sneaky suspicion that you might be a charlie -- living in the UK and hating the British -- but still making a decent living which is why you haven't put your location-- there's a lot of your type here but they haven't got the bottle to come home to Cyprus because it just isn't as good as the UK for wages and rights let alone health care so they stay and work here and complain constantly how much they hate it and how wonderfull Cyprus is -- or would be if only they could get rid of the TC's.

Strange to say there are some TC's here that have similar thoughts --- it's a strange world

As a Cypriot you are a disgraceto your country and you really should get your mum to wash the dummy when you have spit it out and have thrown it on the floor.

For gods sake man -- you don't even know what nationality I am.

What I will tell you is that I'm nearly 60 -- have lived in three different countries during my life and I'm a refugee ( now thats a surprise for you ) from one of them.

So how old are you then -- I detect the anger / hate and frustration of a younger person who hasn't lived a life yet and is not capable of showing compassion.

I see the Cypriots have no difficulty in taking money from the British holidaymakers every year and do it with a smile-- I take it you are not one of them as you would not want to soil your hands with the colonialist pigs money -- in fact lose the tourists and watch your economy die a painfull death -- at least the housing will be cheaper and I might -- just might -- be able to afford to build a big house on TC land -- not that I would out of principle

Over to you old boy and toddle pip as the British army would say

Bill

[Piratis]

Bill I’m sorry about this insane Cypriot we are not all the same

Sure, a small minority like you really love to kiss Turkish and British ass and fully adopting their agenda on Cyprus.

[zoppovortoi]

You are a racist psychopath go to Mikelidis to fix you.

Bill please ignore him he didn’t take his pills today.

What this men did to you and you insulting him.

A good English man is a dead English man?

You are a human tragedy.