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[Kikapu]

btw it appears that two refuggees from the village of akanthou will receive their property back.
and it appears that a compensation is also prepared as a solution for the aresti case

There are about 200000 refugees. So very very lightly let us assume that there will be 10000 cases. Say 50% cannot be given their properties back, so that leaves 5000 who need compensation. Aresti was proposed 460000 CYP so I give an average of 100000CYP per case...

Therefore pseudo TRNC proposes that it can pay 500,000,000 CYP in compensation... Have you checked your balance at the National Bank of Turkey lately? You will probably gonnane need to sell a lot more to lardy middleclass brittish pensioners than you think so

They will make monthly restitutions, say about £10 for the next 500 years per case. It would meet all the legal requirements. How much is the ROC going to pay the TC's, from the South.??

[andri_cy]

btw it appears that two refuggees from the village of akanthou will receive their property back.
and it appears that a compensation is also prepared as a solution for the aresti case

There are about 200000 refugees. So very very lightly let us assume that there will be 10000 cases. Say 50% cannot be given their properties back, so that leaves 5000 who need compensation. Aresti was proposed 460000 CYP so I give an average of 100000CYP per case...

Therefore pseudo TRNC proposes that it can pay 500,000,000 CYP in compensation... Have you checked your balance at the National Bank of Turkey lately? You will probably gonnane need to sell a lot more to lardy middleclass brittish pensioners than you think so

What you calculated is not a very large amount. Turkey paid off more than $8 billion for the debts of just one bank that went bankrupt during the banking crisis in 2001. There were more than a dozen banks that wen bankrupt.

However this is strange economics. Some Brit will come purchase a house for 50000 pounds and then the Turkey will have to pay at least that much compensation to the GC owner. Is the Turkish nation so rich that they have started subsidizing cheap housing for the Brits?

Well they either have to stop selling the land to the brits or whatever. It is their problem really.

[cypezokyli]

How can the one who commits a crime judge himself? So the Titina Loizidou VS Turkey case could be judged by Turkey? How can this be fair?

turkey is not a person. its a state.
if you have a problem with the RoC then you first sue the RoC in its own courts , and if you are not satisfied you go to the ECHR. thats the procedure followed by the ECHR. or perhaps should we tell them to change it ?

i mean we are cypriots , we know better...we are always right

[cypezokyli]

just out of curiosity.

are you people satisfied with how the goverment handled the above (they knew it for the last three years )

what do you think our goverment should do ?
(i mean sth serious , not just shouting against the people who applied )

[Sotos]

if you have a problem with the RoC then you first sue the RoC in its own courts , and if you are not satisfied you go to the ECHR.

Then the courts should be in Turkey and not in Cyprus.

what do you think our goverment should do ?

Was this thing of Turkey accepted by ECHR? I think the government should explain why such courts can not be fair.

[cypezokyli]

if you have a problem with the RoC then you first sue the RoC in its own courts , and if you are not satisfied you go to the ECHR.

Then the courts should be in Turkey and not in Cyprus.

what do you think our goverment should do ?

Was this thing of Turkey accepted by ECHR? I think the government should explain why such courts can not be fair.

we do not know yet the decision of the ECHR. it oculd may well be the case that they do no accept the above commission.

how do you know that such courts are not going to be fair (and you expect the goverment to do that) ?
if the EHCR , considers it as fair, would you say that our goverment should say that those courts are not fair ? against a decision of the ECHR ?

[Piratis]

how do you know that such courts are not going to be fair (and you expect the goverment to do that) ?

And what do you think cypezokyli?

Aren't they that ethnically cleansed those people?
Aren't they that issued fake 'title deeds' for the refugee properties?
Aren't they that give our land to Turkish settlers and foreigners?
Aren't they that talk about "exchange land"?
Aren't they that say that northern Cyprus is Turkish?

How can the same people that do these things ever come and convict themselves? If they did such thing it would require the end of the pseudo state of "trnc" which is based on illegality and ethnic cleansing. Do you think the Turks are willing to do such thing?

In ECHR there was this Turkish judge that always disagreed with the rest of judges in the decisions regarding Cyprus. Why did the Turkish judge disagree cypezokyli? Because he was fair and all the rest were not? Or maybe because he was following the unfair policies of Turkey?

if the EHCR , considers it as fair, would you say that our goverment should say that those courts are not fair ? against a decision of the ECHR ?

The government can simply say that such committee is illegal. The ECHR can not say that such thing is legal if RoC says it is not.
If Turkey wants such kind of committee then they should make it in Turkey, and not on RoCs territory.

[cypezokyli]

The government can simply say that such committee is illegal. The ECHR can not say that such thing is legal if RoC says it is not.

are you sure for the above ?
as far as i understood , our goverment can try to convince (or actually help dimitriades convince) the ECHR that the committee is illegal. there are a number of arguments for that.

but i do not believe that our goverment can tell or impose anything to the ECHR. then it wouldnt be a court anymore

[Piratis]

are you sure for the above ?
as far as i understood , our goverment can try to convince (or actually help dimitriades convince) the ECHR that the committee is illegal. there are a number of arguments for that.

The ECHR does not determine the legality of things. It is about human rights only.

On RoC territory only RoC can decide what is legal and what is not. This is why our government should immediately declare as illegal those courts.

[Kikapu]

I do not know all the ins and outs regarding this property commission and the ECHR, but, if it's for the Greek Cypriots to take their cases to court, to try to claim their property or compensation for their property, and these courts are based in the TRNC, then I have some bad news for the plaintiffs ( GC's ), if the defendants is going to be the TRNC.

First of all, it will take years to get through all the cases, and lets just say for the sake of argument, that every plaitiff wins their cases in the courts and they have been awarded cash for their properties. As hard as those years may have been to the plaintiffs, for having to run around here and there and paying up front money to their lawyers which may run in the thousands of ££££££'s, that will be easy compared to try and collect the money. Once the courts made the awards, it will be up to the plaintiffs to try and collect the money, which would mean more lawyers and more out of pocket ££££'s. How do they expect to collect anything from the TRNC when they don't have very much them selves. As the saying goes, "you can't get blood from a turnip", just turnip juice.!!!

So the plaintiffs will be stuck with just a judgment in their hands and no way to collect. In the meantime, the TRNC will consider all the cases settled and will move ahead of using the GC's former property as it pleases, since it is leagally no longer GC's property, ie, sell it, build on it, or just leave it for future development. As years go by and the plaitiffs become more restless, they may settle on much, much less than the original amount. TRNC may also want to declare bankruptcy, since their debts will be many many times more than what they have in reserve, which means no body will get a penny. TRNC is not even recognized and they don't even have a IMF (International Monetary Fund) agreement with anyone, so they don't have any ratings to worry about by defaulting on their loan. I don't even think these courts could be held in Turkey, since Turkey will just declare, they are in Cyprus under the constitutional agreement to intercept any illegal activities in Cyprus, which was given to them in 1974.

I'll be interested if anyone could shed some light on the above statements possibly happening.