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UK and the USA do not recognise the government of Cyprus,

Postby paaul12 » Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:00 pm

With all the recent discussions regarding Turkey recognising the government of Cyprus, why should they when the UK government refuses to recognise the Greek Cypriot Administration as if they were the lawful Government of Cyprus.

Having cheeked some government documents relating to this point, it would appear that both the UK and the USA do not recognise the government of Cyprus, apparently they have decided that the UK shall no longer accord recognition to Governments.


Select Committee on Foreign Affairs Written Evidence


Written evidence submitted by Michael Stephen[107]
WHY IS CYPRUS DIVIDED?


This is an important question, because the ability of the Greek Cypriot Administration to enforce an embargo on Turkish Cypriot trade, sport, and communications derives from their acceptance by other countries and institutions as if they were the lawful government of all Cyprus.

Although the UK Government deals with the Greek Cypriot Administration as if they were the lawful Government of Cyprus, it does not formally recognise them as such. On 25 April 1980 the Secretary of State for Foreign & Commonwealth Affairs made the following statement in the House of Lords[130]: "We have conducted a re-examination of British policy and practice concerning the recognition of Governments. This has included a comparison with the practice of our partners and allies. On the basis of this review we have decided that we shall no longer accord recognition to Governments. The British Government recognises States in accordance with common international doctrine."

Britain and the US have, in their own interests, encouraged the world to treat the Greek Cypriots alone as the government of all Cyprus, despite Britain's own acknowledgement[128] that "Cyprus Government" could mean only a government which acts with the concurrence of its Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot members. There has been no concurrence since 1963, and there is no "doctrine of necessity" which allows one partner to assault and terrorise the other and then claim the right to run the State alone. The Greek Cypriots have been asking the Turkish Cypriots to go back since 1967, but on terms which abrogate their basic rights and which they could not possibly accept. The Greek Cypriots have no incentive to settle so long as they continue to be treated as the "Government of Cyprus," and enabled to keep the Turkish Cypriots for so long as they please under an embargo[129] against their trade and communications without any authority under Chapter VII of the UN Charter

On 30 July 1980 the Minister of State reiterated[131] that "the British Government recognises States, not Governments" and this was affirmed again on 12th November 1987[132] The United States takes the same position. Accordingly, if the British and US Governments recognise States not Governments, neither the Greek Cypriot nor the Turkish Cypriot administration is recognised by them as the Government of Cyprus.

Security Council Resolutions 541 and 550 seek to discourage the recognition of more than one State in Cyprus, but they do not purport to confer recognition upon the Greek Cypriot Administration as the government of that State.



http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 5.htm#n130


So would it be fair to say that if the UK does not recognise the government of Cyprus what the ramifications are for the:

1] Orams

How can the UK allow a judgement issued by a government they do not recognise be enforceable here in the UK

2] Turkey

Why Turkey should be forced to recognise the Cyprus government when we don’t. Turkey are simply acknowledging as we do:


Britain and the US have, in their own interests, encouraged the world to treat the Greek Cypriots alone as the government of all Cyprus, despite Britain's own acknowledgement[128] that "Cyprus Government" could mean only a government which acts with the concurrence of its Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot members.




Finally on a very sad note read this document and take a minute to think of all those innocent people, people the same as you and I going to work each day to try and provide for their family. Think of the fathers who witnessed the brutal murders of their children their wife’s, we can read about it but we cannot feel the HORROR that those people felt, and I ask the question WHY what was it all for?

At Christmas 1963 the Greek Cypriot militia attacked Turkish Cypriot communities across the island, and very many men, women, and children were killed. 270 of their mosques, shrines and other places of worship were desecrated.

On 28 December 1963 the Daily Express carried the following report from Cyprus: "We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish Cypriot Quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears."

On 31 December 1963 The Guardian reported: "It is nonsense to claim, as the Greek Cypriots do, that all casualties were caused by fighting between armed men of both sides. On Christmas Eve many Turkish Cypriot people were brutally attacked and murdered in their suburban homes, including the wife and children of a doctor—allegedly by a group of forty men, many in army boots and greatcoats." Although the Turkish Cypriots fought back as best they could, and killed some militia, there were no massacres of Greek Cypriot civilians.

On 1 January 1964 the Daily Herald reported: "When I came across the Turkish Cypriot homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs which had caved in I found a twisted mass of bed springs, children's cots, and grey ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot. In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house."

On 2 January 1964 the Daily Telegraph wrote "The Greek Cypriot community should not assume that the British military presence can or should secure them against Turkish intervention if they persecute the Turkish Cypriots. We must not be a shelter for double-crossers." Britain did not however make any serious attempt to stop the Greek Cypriots.

On 12 January 1964 the British High Commission in Nicosia wrote to London[118] "The Greek (Cypriot) police are led by extremists who provoked the fighting and deliberately engaged in atrocities. They have recruited into their ranks as "special constables" gun-happy young thugs. They threaten to try and punish any Turkish Cypriot police who wish to return to the Cyprus Government. . . . . . . . Makarios assured us there will be no attack. His assurance is as worthless as previous assurances have proved."
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Postby Kifeas » Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:11 pm

Interesting theory indeed! Thanks for the laught!
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Postby cypezokyli » Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:13 pm

paul are you sure what does "written evidence" actually means ?
are you sure that this a goverment document ?
bc when i visit the section "written evidence" concerning cyprus , more than half of them come from gcs (either organisations , or persons with greek name) .
should i bother to read one just to provide to you another "public UK document" ?
the above its just the opinion of the writer. and as far as i understand the Foreign office of the UK can collect a number of different sources , without them becoming "public documents"

Having cheeked some government documents relating to this point, it would appear that both the UK and the USA do not recognise the government of Cyprus, apparently they have decided that the UK shall no longer accord recognition to Governments.


:shock: :shock:
excuse me , but i think you are the native speaker here.
do you understand what you are reading ?
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Postby cypezokyli » Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:17 pm

Here you can browse the Written Evidence ordered by the House of Commons to be printed 1 February 2005.

Written evidence

CONTENTS

Letter to the Chairman of the Committee from the High Commission of Cyprus, 9 June 2004

Letter to the Secretary-General of the United Nations from the President of the Republic of Cyprus, dated 7 June 2004

Comments by the Government of Cyprus on the Report of the Secretary General on his mission of good offices in Cyprus (S/2004/437 of 28 May 2004)

Letter to the High Commissioner of the Republic of Cyprus from the Clerk of the Committee, 26 November 2004

Letter to the Clerk of the Committee from the High Commissioner of the Republic of Cyprus, 10 December 2004

Letter to the Clerk of the Committee from the High Commissioner of the Republic of Cyprus, 29 December 2004

Letter to the Clerk of the Committee from the High Commissioner of the Republic of Cyprus, 13 January 2005

Memorandum by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus regarding the Operation of Ports and Airports in the Areas of the Republic of Cyprus under Turkish Military Occupation

Written evidence submitted by Dr Vassilis K Fouskas, Reader in International Relations, Kingston University

Written evidence submitted by Christopher Price

Written evidence submitted by Argyros George Argyrou

Written evidence submitted by the Union of South London Cypriots in Britain

Written evidence submitted by Paphos Association in England

Written evidence submitted by Brigadier Francis Henn CBE

Written evidence submitted by Action for Cyprus (Midlands)

Written evidence submitted by Union of Refugees and Displaced Persons of Cyprus

Written evidence submitted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus

Further written evidence submitted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus

Further written evidence received from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus

Written evidence submitted by Dr Claire Palley, former UK Representative to the UN Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities, and former constitutional consultant to the President of Cyprus

Written evidence submitted by the Deputy Prime Ministry and Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus

Written evidence submitted by the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, President's Office

Further written evidence from the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, President's Office

Letter from the Office of the London Representative, Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus

Letter from the Chairman of the Committee to the Office of the London Representative, Turkish Republic Of Northern Cyprus

Letter to the Clerk of the Committee from the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, President's Office

Further written evidence submitted by the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, President's Office

Written evidence submitted by Cypriot Forum for Labour

Written evidence submitted by Organisation of Relatives of Missing Cypriots (UK)

Written evidence submitted by Dr Ahmet Djavit An

The Turkish Cypriot Political Regime and the Role of Turkey

HOW MANY TURKISH CYPRIOTS REMAIN IN CYPRUS

Written evidence submitted by Friends of Cyprus

Further written evidence submitted by Friends of Cyprus

Written evidence submitted by Brendan O'Malley

Written evidence submitted by Tracemed

Written evidence submitted by Council of Turkish Cypriot Associations in UK

Written evidence submitted by Ayios Amvrosios Assocation

Written evidence submitted by Embargoed!

Written evidence submitted by Cypriot Community Centre

Written evidence submitted by Professor Clement Dodd, School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London

Further written evidence submitted by Professor Clement Dodd

Written evidence submitted by Constantis A Candounas

Written evidence submitted by Michael Stephen

Written evidence submitted by the National Federation of Cypriots in the United Kingdom

Written evidence submitted by British Residents' Society of North Cyprus

Written evidence submitted by Andrew Dismore MP

Written evidence submitted by Association of Martyrs' Families and War Veterans

Written evidence submitted by Kyrenia Refugees Association

Written evidence submitted by National Unity Party

Written evidence submitted by Cyprus Turkish Fighters Association

Written evidence submitted by Turkish Cypriot Human Rights Committee

Written evidence submitted by TRNC Human Rights Association

Written evidence submitted by the All-Party Group for the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus

Written evidence submitted by Lobby for Cyprus

Letter to the Clerk of the Committee from the High Commissioner of the Republic of Cyprus, 26 January 2005


are all these decisions of the UK parliament ?

i am sure that the UK goverment has accepted as "legal documents" the report from the "Cyprus turkish fighters association" and the "kyrenia refuggees associaiton" .

i am sure before reading them , that they both express exactly the same point of view , which in turn represents the official UK position on the subject!!!
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Postby iskismet » Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:10 pm

Kifieas

You respond to the factual information about a massacre of 300 turkish cypriots by saying ' thanks for the laugh.'
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Postby Issy1956 » Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:50 pm

Kifeas,
Are you suggesting that the events described in the posting regarding the attacks on TC' s in 1963 did not happen and this is merely proturkish propaganda? How else are you going to explain reports from independent observers. Now let me guess. I know you are going to suggest that these were merely unfortunate intercommunal disturbances iniatated by the TC's in order to provoke a Turkish invasion and hence partition on orders from Ankara. Am I right? Yes I thought so.
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Postby Leonidas » Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:06 pm

Oh you guys are ALL tooooo much
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Postby growuptcs » Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:37 pm

paaul12, let me interpret your thread

If my grandmother had balls, she'd be my granfather.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:48 pm

iskismet wrote:Kifieas

You respond to the factual information about a massacre of 300 turkish cypriots by saying ' thanks for the laugh.'


Probably kifeas did what I did when he read the title of this thread. He started laughing and he didn't bother to read the usual propaganda of the well known anti-Greek Cypriot propagandist of Turkey Michael Stephen, who has nothing to do with the British government. (do a search in this forum with "Stephen" and you will find several posts with copy/paste propaganda from him)

If you want to talk about the 300 TCs that were massacred, and about the 10s of thousands of GCs that were butchered, you can start a thread that is relevant to this topic.

The topic of this thread is "UK and the USA do not recognise the government of Cyprus" and it is indeed a joke.
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Postby Issy1956 » Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:56 pm

I wouldnt be surprised if your grandmother did have balls.
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