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[andri_cy]

I’ve didn’t say what democracy is malakies.

Malakies you have in your brain when you speak about democracy when you support a fascist.

Do you want to open a topic about Akritas and the crimes they have made?

Do you want to speak about the democratic views of Malakopoulos when he was giving congratulation about Geek Cypriot communist killings?

Allakse sior o anthropos.

Drop dead my friend.

You are a bit paranoid. I havent seen one person call you traitor, but you keep calling yourself that, so that you do it before someone else does it. You are the only one who has a hostile attitude telling people to drop dead because you do not agree with what they say. You have been in Greece as you say for 15 years, havent exercised your right to vote but think you have the right to criticize those who do. Democracy comes with responsibilities and one of them is of the people to select their leaders. If you do not like him, you should have been there voting for his opponent. Otherwise your right to whine about him is forfeited. I would appreciate it if next time you use arguments instead of insults and attacks against people just because what they say doesnt suit you.

[Kifeas]

I’m a traitor because I want a solution based on our politic history of 30+ years such as the federation?

Mr. Fotinoulis he put his sign about federation (on Makarios days).

All the previous governments they was discussing in a same base.

They are all traitors?

I agree and I WANT corrections of the plan but I can’t agree in madness.

Okay?

And I’ll never accept Papadopoulos history and tactics.

NEVER!


He is a fascist he is a criminal and I will never accept him.

Why the people of Cyprus accept him?

Because of the quality of the people.

The same quality of people who supported Ntektash.

The same quality of people who destroyed Cyprus.

And this is my oppinon. END.

Were have you been before to talk about Cleredes and his support of EOKA B? Why so much hate against Papadopoulos? Because he doesn't do whatever your friend Erdogan wants?

If their is such an issue (about Kliridis) I’ll speak about the truth.

I’m not supporting any political party.

I was on Greece for the past 15 years and I didn’t have anything to do with politics.

I’m disused from Papadopoulos tactics and I’ve start here to interested in politics and off course I agree with many issues of the politicians who vote yes but I’m not bounded by a political history.

Yes Erdogan is my friend we drink tea together.

I’m disused because he is a liar because he doesn’t speak clear about what he want, I’m discussed about the propaganda I’ve see in the days of the poll, I’m discoursed about his history and political and personal and I’m discussed about the Makarios tactics repetition.

I’m not Grivikos or Makariakos or anything i’m just an observer.

The answer is: With Turkey in the EU road gradually making concessions that will lead to the solution of the Cyprus problem.

I agree.

If Turkey can continue on this road without making any concessions then of course it is better if they are blocked from this road until they change their attitude. "Pants down and bent" policies of Cleredes-Vassiliou are over.

I lough.

The reason with the bullshiting.

You have a problem to communicate with your self and you try to mix reason with the government shit.

Congratulations.

Whether you accept him or not, it is irrelevant! He is the DEMOCRATICALLY elected president of the RoC and the leader of the G/C community, and you ought to respect him! You accuse him of being a criminal and a fascist, and, although you have no evidence to support such aphorisms and accusations, at the same time you basically show that it is you the fascist, the unprincipled and the anarchist, for not respecting the will of the majority that elected him. You have the right to raise your objections regarding certain of his actions and policies, provided you are able to back them up and defend them as arguments, but this doesn’t mean that you have the right to resort to slanderous cursing and insults against someone chosen by the majority of the people to represent the country.

If you are not ready to accept the person that the majority elected to represent the country, then you are not a democratically principled person. Some others before 1974 (read Eoka B) had precisely the same attitude and ideas like yours, and refused to accept the elected president Makarios, and even went as far as plotting for his assassination and aided the Junta coup against him. The end result of such a behavior is very well known to us. Those people (Eoka B) were expressing and conducting themselves precisely in the same arrogant and fanatical manner, and we ended up having today 36% of our country occupied by foreign troops.

Words like yours against the elected leader of the G/C community, achieve only one thing, and this is to add ammunition in the arsenal of the enemies of the G/C community, in view of the fact that those enemies of Cyprus are trying to unjustly and unscrupulously load the blame on the G/C side and its leader for the Continuation of the Cyprus problem, when it should instead have been known and acknowledged that the side that is the most uncompromising and maximalistic, is no one else other than the Turkish one, and that the Annan plan failed because it did not meet even the minimum of the well-intended expectations of the G/C side from a solution.

[webmagus]

You are a bit paranoid. I havent seen one person call you traitor, but you keep calling yourself that, so that you do it before someone else does it. You are the only one who has a hostile attitude telling people to drop dead because you do not agree with what they say. You have been in Greece as you say for 15 years, havent exercised your right to vote but think you have the right to criticize those who do. Democracy comes with responsibilities and one of them is of the people to select their leaders. If you do not like him, you should have been there voting for his opponent. Otherwise your right to whine about him is forfeited. I would appreciate it if next time you use arguments instead of insults and attacks against people just because what they say doesnt suit you.

Yes I’m a paranoid.

And you are blind?

You talk about yourself and your support to Talat, Denctash, Erdogan and everybody that is against Cyprus

You are very funny girl.

I suppose what you haven’t see Fotinoulis call as nenekous?

You are very funny.

About drop dead It was black joke and a way of speak not an insult don’t be paranoid.

[webmagus]

Whether you accept him or not, it is irrelevant! He is the DEMOCRATICALLY elected president of the RoC and the leader of the G/C community, and you ought to respect him!


You accuse him of being a criminal and a fascist, and, although you have no evidence to support such aphorisms and accusations, at the same time you basically show that it is you the fascist, the unprincipled and the anarchist, for not respecting the will of the majority that elected him. You have the right to raise your objections regarding certain of his actions and policies, provided you are able to back them up and defend them as arguments, but this doesn’t mean that you have the right to resort to slanderous cursing and insults against someone chosen by the majority of the people to represent the country.



If you are not ready to accept the person that the majority elected to represent the country, then you are not a democratically principled person. Some others before 1974 (read Eoka B) had precisely the same attitude and ideas like yours, and refused to accept the elected president Makarios, and even went as far as plotting for his assassination and aided the Junta coup against him. The end result of such a behavior is very well known to us. Those people (Eoka B) were expressing and conducting themselves precisely in the same arrogant and fanatical manner, and we ended up having today 36% of our country occupied by foreign troops.

Words like yours against the elected leader of the G/C community, achieve only one thing, and this is to add ammunition in the arsenal of the enemies of the G/C community, in view of the fact that those enemies of Cyprus are trying to unjustly and unscrupulously load the blame on the G/C side and its leader for the Continuation of the Cyprus problem, when it should instead have been known and acknowledged that the side that is the most uncompromising and maximalistic, is no one else other than the Turkish one, and that the Annan plan failed because it did not meet even the minimum of the well-intended expectations of the G/C side from a solution.

He doesn’t respect me my friend.

Okay or I must respect a criminal who insult me because of his bad character?

I don’t respect him, because he doesn’t respect me. Okay?

And I don’t respect them who support such a criminal. Okay?

And if you respect him. This is your problem my friend.

And yes I can bring you many evidence about his criminal background it’s quite simple if you are not bounded with the secrets things of our history.

And yes I can talk about EOKA B and yes I can talk about Makarios I’m not bounded with secrets.

[Kifeas]

Whether you accept him or not, it is irrelevant! He is the DEMOCRATICALLY elected president of the RoC and the leader of the G/C community, and you ought to respect him!


You accuse him of being a criminal and a fascist, and, although you have no evidence to support such aphorisms and accusations, at the same time you basically show that it is you the fascist, the unprincipled and the anarchist, for not respecting the will of the majority that elected him. You have the right to raise your objections regarding certain of his actions and policies, provided you are able to back them up and defend them as arguments, but this doesn’t mean that you have the right to resort to slanderous cursing and insults against someone chosen by the majority of the people to represent the country.



If you are not ready to accept the person that the majority elected to represent the country, then you are not a democratically principled person. Some others before 1974 (read Eoka B) had precisely the same attitude and ideas like yours, and refused to accept the elected president Makarios, and even went as far as plotting for his assassination and aided the Junta coup against him. The end result of such a behavior is very well known to us. Those people (Eoka B) were expressing and conducting themselves precisely in the same arrogant and fanatical manner, and we ended up having today 36% of our country occupied by foreign troops.

Words like yours against the elected leader of the G/C community, achieve only one thing, and this is to add ammunition in the arsenal of the enemies of the G/C community, in view of the fact that those enemies of Cyprus are trying to unjustly and unscrupulously load the blame on the G/C side and its leader for the Continuation of the Cyprus problem, when it should instead have been known and acknowledged that the side that is the most uncompromising and maximalistic, is no one else other than the Turkish one, and that the Annan plan failed because it did not meet even the minimum of the well-intended expectations of the G/C side from a solution.

He doesn’t respect me my friend.

Okay or I must respect a criminal who insult me because of his bad character?

I don’t respect him, because he doesn’t respect me. Okay?

And I don’t respect them who support such a criminal. Okay?

And if you respect him. This is your problem my friend.

And yes I can bring you many evidence about his criminal background it’s quite simple if you are not bounded with the secrets things of our history.

And yes I can talk about EOKA B and yes I can talk about Makarios I’m not bounded with secrets.

And what evidence do you have that he is a criminal? Which crimes has he committed? And why doesn't he respect you?

[Piratis]

Personally I never voted for Papadopoulos party. I voted him in the presidential elections because he was better than the others, not because I agree with everything he ever did or does.

You can say whatever you want about Papadopoulos (even if most of it is slander as Kifeas said).

However in respect to Cyprus problem Papadopoulos fully represents the great majority of Greek Cypriots.

So if you disagree with something that Papadopoulos does in regards to the Cyprus problem it is your right, but you should stay until there. Not to demand that your minority opinion should be followed and our opinion ignored and side with some foreigners to force on Cyprus something against the will of most Cypriots. As kifeas said this is what EOKA B did.

Do you think EOKA B were traitors webmagus? Or since they believed they were right they had the right to go against the democratically elected president and collaborate with foreigners (Greek junta) to force what they wanted on Cyprus?

Learn to respect democracy my friend. People of your kind brought enough problems to Cyprus already.

[webmagus]

And what evidence do you have that he is a criminal? Which crimes has he committed? And why doesn't he respect you?

The same evidence you have about Ntectash what he was the leader of TMT.

It’s well known what he was sub leader of the fascist organization Akritas.

You don’t agree with that?

This your problem my friend.

I believe what many people are blind.

Re Friend this stupid person you call president he call me nenekos. Me and the 30% of the people.

If that is you democracy. CONGRATULATIONS.

[webmagus]

Personally I never voted for Papadopoulos party. I voted him in the presidential elections because he was better than the others, not because I agree with everything he ever did or does.

You can say whatever you want about Papadopoulos (even if most of it is slander as Kifeas said).

However in respect to Cyprus problem Papadopoulos fully represents the great majority of Greek Cypriots.

So if you disagree with something that Papadopoulos does in regards to the Cyprus problem it is your right, but you should stay until there. Not to demand that your minority opinion should be followed and our opinion ignored and side with some foreigners to force on Cyprus something against the will of most Cypriots. As kifeas said this is what EOKA B did.

Do you think EOKA B were traitors webmagus? Or since they believed they were right they had the right to go against the democratically elected president and collaborate with foreigners (Greek junta) to force what they wanted on Cyprus?

Learn to respect democracy my friend. People of your kind brought enough problems to Cyprus already.

Personally the only way to vote Papadopoulos is to have Dektash or Sillouris for opponent.

I don’t demand anything. I’m just saying my opinion.

And my opinion is what he is a criminal.

And If I was TC I would say the same for Ntectash.

Because I respect my self and the fake secret things.

I think what EOKA B was stupid's like the rest of them, Makariakoi etc.

Makarios was also a common criminal and this is more easy to explain.

Like Grivas was.

But I don’t really care about our stupid history.

I care about our today stupidity.

And about democracy I’ve the right to insult a stupid person who has all ready insulted me.

Stop the lesson because you are getting ridiculous like your president.

[webmagus]

War Crimes Tribunal for T.Papadopoulos

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... sc&start=0


A former associate of the new President of south Cyprus, Tassos Papadopoulos, has described the Greek Cypriot leader as a ‘sickened Turk-hater who can never compromise his hardline nationalist beliefs.

The description comes from Andreas Ziartides, a leading Greek Cypriot trade unionist and a member of AKEL, the Communist party that was one of Papdopoulos’ main backers in the recent election.

Mr Ziartides is quoted in the Greek Cypriot daily Alıthea, which published a profile of Papadopoulos on 2 February 2003.

“I had realised that he had no ear for concessions or compromise regarding the Turks.

I have identified a very negative characteristic. He is a sickened Turk-hater. He is a sickened racist with regard to the Turks. With Tasos as interlocutor, it t is impossible to find a compromise with the Turks.”

The new leader in the south certainly has a long history of anti-Turkish activity. On 23 October 1967, he made the following speech at the celebration of United Nations Day in Limasol: “Freedom for us means only the integration of this southern outpost of Hellenism into national entity.”

It was this belief that led him to take action during the attacks on 15 November 1967 against the Turkish Cypriot villages of Kophinou (Geçitkale) and Ayios Theodoros (Boğaziçi). The aim of these attacks were again to eliminate the Turkish Cypriots in these villages situated at strategically important places near Limasol, from where tens of thousands of Greek soldiers were clandestinely launched in the island.

Tassos Papadopoulos was also one of the Greek Cypriot leaders who tried to make the 1960 Constitution unworkable and thereby achieve ENOSIS His role in the Akritas Plan, a plot to wipe out the Turkish Cypriot population, was noted as follows in the book Genocide Files (p.81) by British journalist Harry Scott Gibbons: “In order to implement this scheme (altering unilaterally the Constitution to achieve ENOSIS), Makarios entrusted Polykarpos Yorgadjis, Tassos Papadopoulos and Glafkos Clerides with the task of formulating a secret plan of action. This plan, the famous “Akrtitas Plan”…”

[webmagus]

The translation of an article entitled "If we were in another country" written by Lukas G. Haralambus and published in Politis newspaper is as follows:

In a book named "the First Partition" written by a Greek Cypriot author Makarios Drusiotis, it is said that Tassos Papadopoulos, the leader of Greek Cypriot Administration, played an active role in the implementation of Akritas Plan which aimed to Enosis that is described as a plan which aims to unify Cyprus with Greece.

Other people who played role in the implementation of Akritas Plan acknowledged this information. If we were in another country, Papadopoulos would have resigned and fled from the country. In addition, while in March 1962, it was bombed Bayraktar and Ömeriye Mosques, the responsibility for this crime was tried to put on Turks. The target was to justify the attacks against Turks by putting responsibility on Turkish Cypriots and to abolish the Republic of Cyprus which was established in August 1960.

It is required to make an apology to the Turkish Cypriots in the name of all Hellenic Cypriots for the entire horrible crimes that were committed against them in 1963.

If there is a hell, I think that then President and Deputy Presidents of Akritas had reserved a place in it where they will remain for so long years.

Dear readers, think that if we were in another country, what would have happened now?

These terrible revelations would have been the first number of discussion subject in media.

President would have resigned and fled from the country and the first thing that would have been done by the person who would have replaced him would be to make an apology to the Turkish Cypriots in the name of all Hellenic Cypriots for the entire crimes that were committed against them in 1963.

This would have been a brave political action. However we are in Cyprus and a dark silence plot has dominated in everywhere.

Naturally Papadopoulos has not seen as necessary to comment on this terrible revelation. Even he has not made an explanation, like Dimitris Hristofyas, the Greek Cypriot Parliament Speaker and the Secretary General of AKEL... He does not feel to have a responsibility to explain to the Turkish Cypriots as well as to members of AKEL about why we elected the Deputy President of bomber organization as the head of the state.
The same is also valid for the media. Fascist silences that will make Stalin regime jealous have dominated in Greek Cypriot media. All television channels had sold their souls to the Government that is represented by Papadopoulos. I have no doubt that in actual broadcast in July, Greek Cypriot State Radio and Television will make Vassos Lisaridis who was another leading member of the illegal organization which was established against the Turkish Cypriots tell the fairy tale of "Turkish insurgency" to the World.
Neither Makarios Drusiotis nor another serious researchers have right to speak in this kind of programs.

Only shameless distorters and alterators of history can speak in state channel or in other channels. Since people have to continue their life with stories.

Otherwise, how could Hristofyas who made Yorgacism rise again after 35 years and embraced it and the deputy commanders of Akritas have dominated in the Island?