Cyprus-Forum.com

[miltiades]

Kartal , highly unrealistic argument on the prospect of ENOSIS ever emerging in Cyprus , a full member of the EU. I think that angle has to be dropped , can you imagine the conflict it would generate , please , forget it !

As far as trusting Eu to provide sufficient guarantees for the security of T/Cs , I think we ought to do so. No G/C is ever likely to trust Turkey for such guarantees , and no T/C is likely to trust Greece similarly. We are left with the UN , and as we all know , it can be somewhat ineffective .I think both sites ought to get together first , understand and respect the security concerns that each side has .It seems to me that there is amongst T/Cs an unwarranted amount of mistrust for their G/Cs compatriots , understandable as it might be it is I feel unfounded.
The major obstacle here is the majority / minority element . Work this one out , add a touch of Cypriotness , remove the malignant " MOTHERLAND " concept and we perhaps could begin the road to a just solution

[Kikapu]

Why don't we start with the political majority in the hands of the majority GC's and the security majority in the hands of the minority TC's. Surely, this would equalize it self, by building trust in each others roll in running the country. Greek Cypriots know that the Turkish Cypriots are not going to trust their security with all the promises and the goodwill by the GC's. It's about time, the GC's started trusting the TC's to protect their security, by the TC's. If this is totally unacceptable, then once again, you'll have your answer from the TC's, which would be, if you can't trust me with your security, don't expect me to trust you with mine. "What's good for the goose, should be good enough for the gander", as my ex-girlfriend would say.

[miltiades]

Here is an extract of the Annan plan dealing with road ownership a plan that apparently we were told was to re-unite Cyprus , and yet even the bloody roads were not united in ownership.
Particular attention should be paid to article 2 paragraph 2 , 3 and 4. ACCESS AND CONNECTING ROADS.
We would not even have common ownership of roads in Cyprus under the Annan plan. I wonder if the pro Annan plan Cypriots would care to debate further the contents of the plan , based entirely on the full text of the plan , not on theories but actuall word for word.

DRAFT ANNEX VI: TERRITORIAL ARRANGEMENTS

Article 1 Delineation of {component state} boundaries

1. The boundaries of the {component states} shall be as depicted in the attached map.

2. [insert text describing in detail the course of the agreed boundary]. Any inconsistency between this description and the map shall be decided by consensus by a committee, or, where they are unable to reach consensus, by the Supreme Court of Cyprus.

3. The committee shall comprise [insert figure] representatives of each {component state} and at least one non-Cypriot. The committee shall be appointed upon entry into force of the Foundation Agreement, and shall demarcate the boundary on the ground.

Article 2 Access and connecting roads

[indicative text to be modified in accordance with agreed map]

Applying to both suggested maps:

1. Civilian traffic on direct connecting roads between the main part of a {component state} and a non-contiguous part, as well as on direct connecting roads through a non-contiguous part of a {component state}, may only be restricted pursuant to an injunction of the Supreme Court.

2. The road connecting Pyrogi and Athienou is under the territorial administration of the Greek Cypriot {component state} for its entire length. The Turkish Cypriot {component state} shall be entitled to construct an underpass or overpass for access to Louroujina/Akincilar.

3. The Greek Cypriot {component state} shall be entitled to construct a road under its territorial administration between Kontea and Kalopsida, across the territory administered by the Turkish Cypriot {component state} south of Köüklia and to expropriate the necessary land in exchange for full and effective compensation, in cooperation with the Turkish Cypriot {component state}. The {component states} shall agree on the location of any necessary underpasses or overpasses to be built at the expense of the Greek Cypriot {component state}.

Applying to map A only:

4. The road connecting north Nicosia and Famagusta is under the territorial administration of the Turkish Cypriot {component state} for its entire length. The Greek Cypriot {component state} shall be entitled to construct three underpasses or overpasses for access to Pyrga, Stylloi and Egkomi.

[Natty]

Hey, from what i can see the 'Anan Plan' was really about reunification.........

[Natty]

sorry I meant, WASN'T really about reunification!

[Iran Forever]

You trust Turks about ANYTHING? Remember folks, Turkey signed an agreement with Greece stating Eastern Thrace would be exempt from the "population transfer" or (population "exchange" if you will)agreement, yet Greeks were STILL expelled from Eastern Thrace...just ONE example out of hundreds...the village of Saranda Ekklesia in Eastern Thrace had its Greek population expelled, and I would be surprised if it is still standing for that matter...be careful in dealing with Turks, they are dangerous...even over Imia in the Aegean, which were worthless rocks, Turkey was trying to establish an outpost in Greek waters...(they called them "Kardak" islands, and claimed they belonged to Turkey!).