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[Piratis]

Viewpoint, you can not violate peoples human rights either intentionally or unintentionally.

You can not accommodate the fear of one by violating the human rights of another.

There are many ways to accommodate your fears in a democratic way and without sacrificing the human rights of anybody in an EU country like Cyprus is today. If all you wanted was to accommodate your fears it would not be that hard. But it is impossible to satisfy you when these fears are used as just an excuse.

What exactly do you fear? That GCs will kill you? Or that you TCs will be equal Cypriot citizens without all the super-privileges they are used to have since the time of the Ottoman rule? Because only "fears" like the second can be incompatible with human rights and democracy. All the other true fears can be easily accommodated in a modern EU country.

[Piratis]

Kartal, for every 1 GC nationalist there are 100 TC nationalists. Before 1960 the nationalist dream of GCs had been enosis, and of TCs partition. Today how many GCs do you see asking for enosis?? On the other hand how many TCs you see supporting the de facto partition and the "trnc"?

Therefore you should look at your own nationalists which are WAY more than ours before using such thing as an excuse to violate the human and democratic rights of each and every Greek Cypriot.

[Kartal_Aetos]

they are not nationalists, they simply fear the same that i do

if we were equal, there is no fear of nationalists on either side...we are both protected...

do not go around telling me "violate human and democratic rights"....you must be crazy if you think we wouldn't rather have not had a war...you must be crazy if you think that ANY TC wanted to lose their loved ones....we are also suffering...its not just the GC's...

and no, our fears are not irrational as we only fear what has happened already and is still a possibility as there are GC political parties who would carry out ENOSIS given half the chance...we simply dont want these parties to be given that chance...

[Kikapu]

Piratis,

If the TC's want security before they even start thinking about reaching other aggreements between the 2 communities, why don't you say to them, look, why don't you ask the Turkish troops to go back to Turkey, and you the TC's can have 40,000 strong heavyly armed security force, and we the GC's won't have any. After all, if the Turks wanted to take over the whole island they could do so right now, so obviously it is not in the TC's plans to do that. And if any nationalistic bastards wants to start trouble to the TC's, you would go and take a gun from the TC's force and kill the bastards yourself, just to show that the GC's want to live with their TC's cousins in peace. Now, this solution will not violate anyones human or democratic rights, and the TC's might even go along with the majority rule and the one man one vote system, because they will have security in their own hands. If you approached the security problem for the TC's from this angle, rather than saying, hey, we are in the EU now, so don't worry about security, seems to have a empty sound to it, to the TC's ears.

[Piratis]

Forcing something that is against the human and democratic rights of people can only make them angry and create conflicts. It is a recipe for yet another round of bloodshed.

Your fears are not accommodated by violating our human rights. Your fears and our fears, and your human rights and our human rights, are best accommodated in a democratic country were the human rights of everybody are respected without racist discriminations.

I don't know any party of GCs that wants enosis today. On the other hand Serdar Denctash has clearly told us that Annan plan style of "federation" is simply a stepping stone for partition, using the Chekoslovakian model.

In fact, separatist plans like that of Annan could only develop into an official partition in the end. So we will definitely not allow such possibility.

[Piratis]

Kikapu, I am not sure I follow you. Where will these 40.000 armed security force come from? TCs are about 120.000, 40.000 would be 1/3rd of their population.

Also do not forget that mistrust and fears exists from both sides. So you have to look at this issue in both ways.

How about demilitarizing Cyprus from GCs, TCs, Greeks, Turks and British, and bring in 40.000 UN troops that can be in Cyprus for as long as they decide that it is required? This is just one way to solve this issue without violating anybodies human or democratic rights.

[miltiades]

Kartal_Aetos WROTE:

" there ar GC political parties who would carry out ENOSIS given half the chance...we simply dont want these parties to be given that chance...""

There are no political parties who would risk the very large majority of G/Cs who are vehemently opposed to such an act. Let me assure you , no G/C party is that naive as not to know that the vast majority of G/Cs hold Greece responsible for the

[miltiades]

Sorry about that , had a couple of beers and pressed the wrong bloody key , continue>>>>>>
events of 1974 , ( after risk please insert "alienating " )

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, I am not sure I follow you. Where will these 40.000 armed security force come from? TCs are about 120.000, 40.000 would be 1/3rd of their population.

Also do not forget that mistrust and fears exists from both sides. So you have to look at this issue in both ways.

How about demilitarizing Cyprus from GCs, TCs, Greeks, Turks and British, and bring in 40.000 UN troops that can be in Cyprus for as long as they decide that it is required? This is just one way to solve this issue without violating anybodies human or democratic rights.

First of all, I don't think the UN wants to spend 40,000 troops in Cyprus, and secondly, demilitarizing the island sounds good in theory, but one will find ways to bring arms into the country, if they were up to no good. The 40,000 TC's force does not even have to be full time force. They could be what we have a Switzerland, which is reserve force. They have a saying in Switzerland, which is, "we don't have an army in Switzerland, because, Switzerland is an army". Taking Piratis's reasoning, it's only the TC's have a problem with security, so lets put their minds at rest. As I said, the GC's have nothing to worry about, since the 40,000 Turkish army has no intention moving South of the Green line now, and neither would the TC's force. Infact there won't be any green line at all. Put the TC's in charge of security of Cyprus. If the GC's want us to trust them, it's about time they should start trusting us.

[zoppovortoi]

Miltiadis have right but there is politicians with hate against TC’s .

Everyone lost money in the market around the world and pointing the fingers at the GC government is wrong. Pure propaganda big guy. Every government around the world got a peice of that

But I’ve said what there no angels at all.

The GC’s are as greedy as the rest of humans.

Miltiadis if you can’t understand something just ask me.

For the scandal of the Serbian 1.5 billion $ there is a fresh article (in greek):

http://www.politis.com.cy/cgibin/hweb?- ... -V=columns