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[Piratis]

We are not "angels". We are a small island of half million people that fall victim of the powerful ones that ruled our area. Is your brain so small to fit this simple fact?

[zoppovortoi]

I agree with you about the power stuff and we were the power one and we was illegally try to break the constitution by illegal armed organizations.

We have done exactly what the power guys do.

Can you accept what we are humans or you are so brainless?

[Kartal_Aetos]

the reason why the TC's had more governmental role in contrast to the population might have been

1- It was a turkish island before the brits came to power
2- With the idea of enosis in the minds of GC's which has been around since the late 1800's...1881 i think to be precise...it was a good way of safeguarding continued TC existence on the island (which didnt really work) lol...

and hey, the GC's were treated fairer than the Venetians treated them....GC's had NOTHING under the venetians...not even a say in the island...the ottomans reinstated the orthodox patriarch as the voice of the GC community as the Venetians refused to accept there was an orthodox presence on the island...many orthodox greeks were slaughtered for refusing to convert to catholicism...Many were 'converted' through fear of being killed but followed the orthodox way still...and you are talking about something that took place a very long time ago...before hardly ANY nation were practicing human rights and equality...even recently...look at greece :

Greek Muslims seek Turkish identity
By Catherine Boitard - Agence France-Presse

Greece’s Muslim minority, mainly confined to Thrace in the far northeast, is
awaiting a court verdict to see whether a ban on their use of the
adjective “Turkish” to describe themselves will be lifted.

taken from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/balkanhr/message/6142


not being allowed to call themselves what they really are...Turkish...they are forced to call themselves greek muslims? lol

The many abuses of human rights documented in this report reveal a pattern of denying the Turkish minority the rights granted to other Greek citizens; the pattern includes outright deprivation of citizenship; denials of the right to buy land or houses, to set up businesses or to rebuild or repair Turkish schools; restrictions on freedom of expression, movement and religion; and degrading treatment of ethnic Turks by government officials

This was a problem up until the early 1990's...relatively recent when you think about 150 years ago in cyprus

Even today, Turks in Greece aren't treated fairly and are still not equal citizens to that of their Greek compatriots...

so what im trying to say is that the GC's were mistreated in a time where there were no such thing as human rights...even today there are wrong-doings but in RoC before the war GC's were equals of TC's...what more could anyone have asked for?

[zoppovortoi]

Even if the English the Americans and whole world was so bad and they’ve brought to us the unfair Zurich plan there is absolutely no excuse to use illegal methods and arm methods to over pass the legal situation. This is the Barbarians way and I hope what you will not argue with that.

What we did then was wrong and barbaric. END OF STORY

[Kartal_Aetos]

We are not "angels". We are a small island of half million people that fall victim of the powerful ones that ruled our area. Is your brain so small to fit this simple fact?

what about the innocent TC's that fell victim?

we deserve some security from Greek nationalists and until that can be guaranteed by RoC then there will be no solution...the problem, piratis, is that over the decades, both sides have taught motherland nationalism to the youth and individuals like yourself who blame the other side for everything make it hard to guarantee security...if we keep blaming the opposite side then what do you think is going to happen when we are living together? all of a sudden you are going to stop blaming us? no...eventual war and partition...again...

[zoppovortoi]

It was a turkish island before the brits came to power

I do not agree with that and it has absolutely no logic.

not being allowed to call themselves what they really are...Turkish...they are forced to call themselves greek muslims? Lol

They are Greeks this nationalistic craps must end. They are legal Greek citizens and they join the Greek army.

[Piratis]

We were never in a power position. The didn't even allow Cypriots to write their own constidution in a democratic way.

And how did we brake the constidution??? Makarios had simply made proposals to change some obviously unfair things. Since when is making proposals a violations of the constidution? In fact those proposals were never implemented.

Greek Cypriots had made mistakes and EOKA B which was an illegal organization made by a tiny minority of GCs had committed crimes (TCs had TMT, the equivalent of EOKA B).

However, as I said in another post, all nations make some mistakes and have their dark spots. The difference is that the powerful ones can commit mistakes and crimes without any concequences, while for the weak ones such mistakes (which will inevitably be made at some point, nobody is perfect) are used as an excuse by the powerful to victimize them even more.

In the case of Cyprus the Turks have committed crimes for the most part of the last 5 centuries, and still you and some others believe that the ones who should face even more consequences should be the GCs because they have also made some mistakes and committed some crimes in some tiny part of our history!!

Zoppovorto, its all about power politics. And if you are a Greek Cypriot it is very unfortunate that you adopt the lame excuses of Turkey which is trying to victimize GCs in eternity and you don't realize that what you do is nothing more than trying to help the invader with their unfair and racist aims for our small island.

[Kartal_Aetos]

ok zoppovortoi, The island was in Turkish ownership and rule before the british happy?

[Piratis]

what about the innocent TC's that fell victim?

we deserve some security from Greek nationalists and until that can be guaranteed by RoC then there will be no solution...the problem, piratis, is that over the decades, both sides have taught motherland nationalism to the youth and individuals like yourself who blame the other side for everything make it hard to guarantee security...if we keep blaming the opposite side then what do you think is going to happen when we are living together? all of a sudden you are going to stop blaming us? no...eventual war and partition...again...

Kartal, I put the blame were it belongs. Have you seen me ever supporting EOKA B, the Greek junta, the killing of innocent TCs etc??

Then why do you (TCs in general) support the TMT, the Turkish invasion, the "trnc" and the killing of innocent GCs?

What I support is human rights and democracy for all. I do not support anything that would violate even a single of your human and democratic rights.

Innocent TCs and GCs fall victims easier because they were divided and in a conflict with one another. The only way to end this is to created a united Cyprus were all Cypriots are equal without racist discriminations based on ethnicity, language, religion etc. Do you accept this?
If you don't, then Cypriots (all of them) will continue to be exploited. Turkey will keep the control of north Cyprus, British will keep their bases, and we (all of us) will continue to have problems and waste our time in forums discussing them.

[zoppovortoi]

Kartal

The island was in Turkish ownership but this is no not a logic reason to benefit from a plan actually the international community was considered the majority thing and they have give us many chances to do what we wanted like the Hurting Radcliff Atscenson and goes on.

I just didn’t like your thinking because behind of it is you may found some Turkish rights on the island ( I hope not).

The main reason what the plan was in this way by my opinion is what they wanted to balance things between two barbaric comminutes and we have prove them right again and again.