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[Natty]

Hey, I found this Quote, it's quite interesting..

The UN Secretary – General reporting on this situation in 1965, stated….


"The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to a rigid stand against any measures which might involve having members of the two communities live and work together or which might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical separation of the communities, as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots5. At the same time, Turkey threatened to invade Cyprus. She was only restrained from so doing by UN Security Council involvement and by President Johnson's direct intervention in 1964 and again in 1967. Indeed, during this period in order to pre-empt Turkish invasion a Greek regular armed force of 12,000 men was moved to Cyprus, but, on renewed threat of Turkish invasion, this force was - in conjunction with international diplomatic activity securing a Greek Turkish stand-off - withdrawn at the end of 1967. At the same time the political leaderships of both Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities were persuaded to begin the interminable process of inter-communal negotiation for a just settlement of the Cyprus question. The negotiations were however doomed because external powers interested in Cyprus manipulated both communities' fears and aspirations and blocked any agreement which would deny Turkey partition of the island or which would ensure the preservation of an independent non-aligned Cyprus State. There was now to be a turning point in Cyprus' history leading to catastrophe. Whatever the rights and the wrongs, actual or assumed, which preceded this turning point, the magnitude of the catastrophe and the massive suffering, ferociously and mercilessly inflicted by Turkey, was so grossly disproportionate as to vitiate any claim that she was acting in aid of the Turkish Cypriots. What followed was barbarism and atrocities."

[Natty]

"As a non believer, you don't need to convince me about "Virgin Birth". The only "virgin"(extra) I believe in, is a good Cypriot olive oil. "



I do like me some good Cypriot olive oil, the best there is in my opinion, but then again I am some what biased...

[Natty]

Hey, another quote (sorry! ) which backs up the fact that the unfortunate intercommunal fighting was mainly caused by extremist elements on both sides.....

This is from an interview with Rauf Denktash, with ITV a channel in England,

"There was an explosion at the information bureau of the Turkish Consulate. A crowd had already gathered there, a crowd of the Turkish Cypriot community. And they almost immediately decided that Greeks had done it and they were swearing vengeance against the Greeks and so on." "The explosion started a night of riots in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriots burned and looted Greek shops and homes. Soon came counter-attacks and the fighting spread round the island. Later on, a friend of mine, whose name must still be kept secret, was to confess to me that he had put this little bomb in their doorway in order to create an atmosphere of tension so that people would know that Turkish Cypriots mattered."

Peace

[Kifeas]

Hey, I found this Quote, it's quite interesting..

The UN Secretary – General reporting on this situation in 1965, stated….


"The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to a rigid stand against any measures which might involve having members of the two communities live and work together or which might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical separation of the communities, as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots5. At the same time, Turkey threatened to invade Cyprus. She was only restrained from so doing by UN Security Council involvement and by President Johnson's direct intervention in 1964 and again in 1967. Indeed, during this period in order to pre-empt Turkish invasion a Greek regular armed force of 12,000 men was moved to Cyprus, but, on renewed threat of Turkish invasion, this force was - in conjunction with international diplomatic activity securing a Greek Turkish stand-off - withdrawn at the end of 1967. At the same time the political leaderships of both Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities were persuaded to begin the interminable process of inter-communal negotiation for a just settlement of the Cyprus question. The negotiations were however doomed because external powers interested in Cyprus manipulated both communities' fears and aspirations and blocked any agreement which would deny Turkey partition of the island or which would ensure the preservation of an independent non-aligned Cyprus State. There was now to be a turning point in Cyprus' history leading to catastrophe. Whatever the rights and the wrongs, actual or assumed, which preceded this turning point, the magnitude of the catastrophe and the massive suffering, ferociously and mercilessly inflicted by Turkey, was so grossly disproportionate as to vitiate any claim that she was acting in aid of the Turkish Cypriots. What followed was barbarism and atrocities."

Were did you get this quotation from? Can you provide the source or the link, becasue it seems pre-dated of some of the events it taks about.

[Natty]

Hey, I found it while i was browsing 'The Cyprus Problem', i'll try and find it again...I think it was written by the UN secretary general after 1974 about the situation in Cyprus in 1965......

Peace!

[Natty]

Hey, I can't find the page, but I know that it came from the UN report,

S/6426, Report of 10.6.1965 p.271

If that helps.......

[Natty]

Hey, I understand what i've done now....the whole statement isn't actually the UN report, sorry!! I'll edit it properly!

[Natty]

Hey, sorry about this, the UN report stops where the 5 is.... It ends when the sentence starts "At the same time...."

I would have edited it but unfortunately the forum won't let me, sorry (again )

Peace!

[Viewpoint]

Absolute rubbish. I challenge you to question 12 only T/Cs over 60 and ask them .
Furthermore let me remind you that the people of Cyprus have for thousands of years lived peacefully with various invaders , and the Cypriots are not known worldwide as the monsters your trying to promote.
It is absolute garbage that the T/Cs lived in fear of the G/Cs. The extreme elements on both sides spread fear and panic amongst all Cypriots. It is indeed a flimsy excuse used by Turkey to justify the invasion of Cyprus. In 1974 I was a 28 year old on holiday in Famagusta when I got caught in the ensuing war. The only people who feared for their lives then it was people like myself who detested the the Greek junta and spoke openly against them. There was never any action against the T/Cs until Turkey invaded.
Viewpoint , the solution will come when , not as you put it , the G/Cs capitulate and accept " responsibility" , but when Turkey accepts that she is occupying a foreign country and recognises the consequences of her actions. I doubt very much that she will ever do so , but I m confident that my compatriots , including you , will eventually demand that all foreign troops depart from Cyprus. There is at the moment a misguided feeling amongst T/Cs that the International community as well as Europe are about to recognise the "TRNC" The USA has made it clear that recognition is not on the agenda . Not even the World Council of Muslim Nations has made any noises towards recognition , so we have to drop the partition idea and get back to negotiations leading to one united Cyprus.

I have talked to many TCs over 60s who all pretty much say the same thing on a day to day basis there would be no problems but you could never trust a GC 100% given the opportunity you always felt they would stab you in the back. I can introduce you to a few ot these over 60s TCs if you wish. Everyone has a story to tell.

Fear makes people do crazy things and in 1963 and 1974 the TCs lived in fear, you will probably argue like you have before this was self generated and that we had nothing to fear as GCs (EOKA) we only try to hand out flowers and love to their "compatriots".

What will we achieve by getting the Turkish army to leave other than expose ourselves to GC manipulation. If there is no comprehensive solution package no TCs in their right minds would want the army to leave, why is this so difficult to understand.

Do you hear TCs demanding recognition?, are we on the streets protesting? I feel you are misguided in your opinion that this is all we want, its not. We want what every other human being wants to live in peace tranquility and without fear of being discriminated against, dominated or exploited. Is that to much to ask?

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint , I wonder if you took thr trouble to read some of the reveiws written on the "GENICIDE FILES " By Harry Scott Gibons . Well here is one and I have another 56 to follow on this "brilliant Historian " I also have a lot more information on this person and would be pleased to provide. Please read below just one review.

Reviewer: A readerI was in the U.N. medical corps in Cyprus from 1970-1975 and can still recall the terror that Turkish airforce jets brought on the civilian populations of Cyprus. We tended to the dead and wounded after the attack on the village of Episkopi where five innocent workers were killed with napalm dropped from the Turkish jets in 1964.
I feel this book does not give an impartial account and history of the problems in Cyprus and does a great disservice to the memory of the Greek and Turkish Cypriots who died on the island. It does not give a true account of the ethnic anatagonisms in Cyprus, as i remember it. The book gives 100% emphasis on the Greeks as the cause of the troubles but omits to mention the terrorist groups brought in from Turkey as far back as 1954 to instigate troubles between the two communities.
It singles out the Greek Cypriot community as committing genocide, when i remember a distinct clash of the Turkish and Greek communities insitgated by nationalist elements in their respective motherlands (Greece and Turkey). Acts of genocide did not take place as described in the book - we oversaw the treatment of wounded and dead from both the turkish and greek communities. Only when the Turkish Army invaded in 1974, did the nationalist elements on the greek side exact revenge on the Turkish civilian population as the Turkish army had been found raping and killing civilians of the Greek community. The inter-communal fighting was not even mentioned once in the book, which is remarkable for a supposed unabridged book about Cyprus.
Also, there are incredibly large amounts of grammatical errors and punctuation mistakes in the text which does not leave a good impression on the author and/or publisher. The mistakes would be excusable, were it not for the fact that the book contains a great number of mistakes in fact and falsifications of events. For example, the author states that the Greek armed forces were in control of 300 tanks at the time of the invasion and that the Turkish contingent were heavily outnumbered. In fact, we were stationed near the Greek base in Nicosia and the Greek Tank corps were quite proud of their 17 tanks of world war 2 vintage. They were the only tanks in Cyprus at any time before the 1974 invasion. This is just one example of how the author gives false information (without any reference or even an index) and tries to steer the reader in believing a totally false account of the events in Cyprus.
I don't know what the author's motives in this misrepresentation are, but some reviews here have suggested that he is under the employ of the Turkish government. Given this totally one-sided diatribe, bearing no resemblance to my own recollection of events, i cannot disagree with this assertion.
A truly awful book which sets out to give excuses for a brutal invasion.
It really is a shame that this book seems to have been written with one aim in mind - to falsify history and give a totally biased version of events in the hope of causing hatred instead of mending bridges between the Greeks and Turks of Cyprus. What a great opportunity lost......

I would have expected better from you miltiades, what you dont like reading you try to eradicate by attacking the authors credibility. Even if only 50% of what he writes is correct it is still food for thought and should not be discredited and not taken has a portrait of what was going on in those times.

This review could be written by anyone, so very dismissable sorry.