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Cyprus EU accession complicated the process for a solution?

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby andri_cy » Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:23 pm

Viewpoint is right. I think that somewhere where we cant see it right now there has to be an option 3, where no one loses, some compromises are made and everyone is happy with the end result. Maybe I am just too optimistic, but I think that if both sides wanted to, it could happen.
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Postby webmagus » Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:23 pm

There is a third scenario what Europe and Cyprus loosing.

If someone wonders why Turkey didn’t recognize as, I’ve a good idea for this issue.

They don’t recognize as and they will not recognize as because if they will not be a member the Christian club of Europe they will do the unification with north Cyprus.

I don’t really believe what the Europe will let the Euro village Cypriots to destroy them.

There is not such an issue of Cyprus reorganization

Europe will still pushing but there is not such issue of blocking Turks.

The most possible scenario is what Papadopoulos will finally achieve the confederation and the final division (because this is what he wants in my opinion).

The other scenario is what he is a finished mad man who has just got out of the madhouse.

And do not say me what I’m infecting the relations with the reason Cypriots and the patriots fouls because all ready your criminal president insult me and all the people who have a different point of view as traitors.

Okay I’m a traitor (for you) if you and your criminal president like it. End.

And the bullshits about Turks paying are just for laughing.

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Postby RichardB » Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:24 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Option 2 looks like the way this story will end and Cyprus will be divided forever.

Is that what you want? Obviously as the actions of your leader is dragging you in that direction.

Cyprus can only use EU leverage if Turkey continues with her EU accessioni that way you may apply pressure on Turkey to negotiate but obviously this is not what you want, you want to score little triamphs but the lose the game.


Even my wife who is the least political person you will ever meet can see the points you are making (and she has lost property in Morphou).

How can a solution be made when people do not seem to want to negotiate with the other party.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:29 pm

Option 2 looks like the way this story will end and Cyprus will be divided forever.


With option 1) Cyprus is again divided with the only difference that Turkey is in EU.

So why would we choose 1) over 2)?

If Turkey is not going to make concessions anyways then whats the benefit for us for allowing her to continue her EU accession process? To get richer so they will buy more weapons to occupy our country? Or so later on they tell us that their illegal settlers can legally be in Cyprus because they are EU citizens?

No concessions from Turkey = No EU for Turkey. I hope this is made as clear as possible because we are truly not bluffing with this.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:33 pm

How can a solution be made when people do not seem to want to negotiate with the other party.

Negotiations is one thing. Turkeys accession is another. After the Cyprus problem is solved with negotiations then Turkey can restart her EU accession process.

If Turkey takes everything from the beginning then we will have no leverage in negotiations, while on the other hand Turkey will continue to have 40.000 troops on RoCs territory.
The EU leverage of RoC brings back a bit of balance in these negotiations. We are not going to give it up.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:37 pm

Okay I’m a traitor (for you) if you and your criminal president like it. End.


You are obviously a traitor if you call our president a criminal while you support the leadership of Turkey and the crimes they perform on our island. At least you know what you are.

Do you perform the "pants down and bent" policy that you support in your personal life as well?
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Postby RichardB » Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:38 pm

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No concessions from Turkey = No EU for Turkey. I hope this is made as clear as possible because we are truly not bluffing with this.[/quote]

I cannot find anything on this thread that says Turkey should make No compomise/consessions
On the contrary it seems tohave been a constructive debate with all sides seeming to say that both parties should be willing to make consessions / compromise
Guess I'm just being naive
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Postby webmagus » Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:38 pm

No concessions from Turkey = No EU for Turkey. I hope this is made as clear as possible because we are truly not bluffing with this.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Okay and then fight the Turks with a water gun?

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Postby andri_cy » Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:40 pm

RichardB wrote:[

No concessions from Turkey = No EU for Turkey. I hope this is made as clear as possible because we are truly not bluffing with this.


I cannot find anything on this thread that says Turkey should make No compomise/consessions
On the contrary it seems tohave been a constructive debate with all sides seeming to say that both parties should be willing to make consessions / compromise
Guess I'm just being naive[/quote]


Thats what I would think Richard. I think that after 32 years, everyone should stop whining and both sides should compromise. It seems both sides want their dog full and their pie whole like we say.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:42 pm

Okay and then fight the Turks with a water gun?

This question should be directed to you.

How will we fight Turkey if we allow them in EU without the solution of the Cyprus problem?
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