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[Kikapu]

he told the EU and RoC to shove it where the sun don't shine

And you expect RoC and EU to accept this? I think EU and RoC will also tell Turkey to shove it where the sun don't shine. I think the Turks got used to get what they want but it will be a shock for them this time.

What do you think the EU and RoC is going to do, if Turkey tells them to take their EU membership offer and RoC's pathetic veto threat, to shove it where the sun don't shine. Aside from RoC running and begging the EU commisioner, pleading with them to please, please, let Turkey into the "Christian EU club", otherwise we will lose half of Cyprus!!! Have you ever seen a worse government than the RoC, that can't get anything right. Monday, they used up one of their veto points to ask the EU to demand from Turkey to open up the ports for the RoC, and after few hours later, the EU told the RoC to sit down and shut up. So the meetings went along anyway. Are the Greek Cypriots loosing faith in PappaD yet ? Well, they should.

[webmagus]

Turkey will never recognize the Cyprus nation because they have a big weapon to threat Europe and they will never give such a gift to Europe if they we’ll not be sure what they will be a full member of Europe.

We mast preying to god (Allah) to Turkey become a Europe member and I understand the realistic politic of Greece and I’m really laughing with our government.

And just remember me they will not recognize as. End.

Europe will try to solve the problem by pushing us for a solution and by pushing Turkey to keep them hot about a solution. End.

[Sotos]

Cyprus should veto Turkey if they don't open their ports. Then we will see who will be begging and will be pathetic

[webmagus]

Cyprus should veto Turkey if they don't open their ports. Then we will see who will be begging and will be pathetic

You are very funny guy. I hope not like your president.

[Kifeas]

Turkey will never recognize the Cyprus nation because they have a big weapon to threat Europe and they will never give such a gift to Europe if they we’ll not be sure what they will be a full member of Europe.

We mast preying to god (Allah) to Turkey become a Europe member and I understand the realistic politic of Greece and I’m really laughing with our government.

And just remember me they will not recognize as. End.

Europe will try to solve the problem by pushing us for a solution and by pushing Turkey to keep them hot about a solution. End.

And what do you suggest we should do, arrogant little boy or girl?

[Kifeas]

he told the EU and RoC to shove it where the sun don't shine

And you expect RoC and EU to accept this? I think EU and RoC will also tell Turkey to shove it where the sun don't shine. I think the Turks got used to get what they want but it will be a shock for them this time.

What do you think the EU and RoC is going to do, if Turkey tells them to take their EU membership offer and RoC's pathetic veto threat, to shove it where the sun don't shine. Aside from RoC running and begging the EU commisioner, pleading with them to please, please, let Turkey into the "Christian EU club", otherwise we will lose half of Cyprus!!! Have you ever seen a worse government than the RoC, that can't get anything right. Monday, they used up one of their veto points to ask the EU to demand from Turkey to open up the ports for the RoC, and after few hours later, the EU told the RoC to sit down and shut up. So the meetings went along anyway. Are the Greek Cypriots loosing faith in PappaD yet ? Well, they should.

Are you sure this is what happened on Monday? Is this what the Turkish press wrote? My information is quite different than yours, in fact the opposite, since no one said to the RoC to shut up! These are the nonsense that Mehmet A. Birand and some other Turkish reporters write in the Turkish press, and I have not seen anything like that been claimed by any of the international media. In fact, the RoC achieved the goal it aimed to achieve, which was to essentially tie the EU policy on the particular issue. It was never the intention of the RoC to veto Turkey, at least on this stage, and this became essentially totally unnecessary since the rest of the EU members agreed with the RoC to include in the opening and closing agreement of the first chapter, almost all the closures that that it wanted them to include. No one said to the RoC to shut up, and no one talks like this in the EU against another member state.

[webmagus]

Follow Greece. Is that simple.

If we don’t want the history circle to repeat WE MUST follow Greece.

Because we are stupid enough to cause many problems to Europe. Like we have done in NATO when we’ve tried to involved USSR (against Greece will) in a matter out of their area and sign our death will.

[miltiades]

Kikapu , it has been Turkeys overriding ambition since Ataturk , to follow the road that he , the father of modern Turkey set. The road that leads to Europe. All alliances that Turkey has established since the end of WW2 , have been on the whole , with European and Western world nations , not forgetting of course Israel.
It would not be in the long term interests of Turkey , and she does very much care about her interests,
to tell the EU tho shove any thing where , as you say the sun doesn't shine.It appears to me that you tend over estimate Turkeys position in the world. Turkey needs Europe and the Western world a great deal more than the other way around , just look what is on the other side of WW and EU .

[Issy1956]

No matter how much Turkey may want to join there are those within the EU that do not ever see them inside and will eventually thwart their membership. When that happens even the dumb Turks will realise that they have to revise their game plan. What then for Cyprus?
The only hope to counteract this is the USA putting pressure on the EU to accept Turkey but even the power of the US has its limits.

[Kifeas]

No matter how much Turkey may want to join there are those within the EU that do not ever see them inside and will eventually thwart their membership. When that happens even the dumb Turks will realise that they have to revise their game plan. What then for Cyprus?
The only hope to counteract this is the USA putting pressure on the EU to accept Turkey but even the power of the US has its limits.

Yes Issy, it is a fact that there are forces within the EU who would not like to see Turkey ever become a member. However, it is not easy at all in the EU for anyone member country to maintain a position and a stance towards an issue and thus tie the entire EU policy on it, without at the same time being able to justify and back it with solid evidence and arguments. Therefore, if Turkey one day fulfills all of the most important criteria and conditions, and thus become a country with a political culture at par with the other EU countries, I do not believe the EU will so easily manage to refuse accession to it, no matter how strong the reaction of the public in some of the countries or the policy of some of the EU governments will be. The EU decision making system is so complicated and tedious, that for any country to pass its own preferences or choices on any issue, it has to be able to support them on the basis of very solid and valid arguments, logic and principles, and certainly not on the basis of arbitrary and /or capricious attitudes and reasoning.

The EU, more than any other organization that has ever appeared on this planet, functions and makes decisions on the basis of principles, values and legitimacy, simply because it cannot function otherwise. There is no other way in which to bring together, bridge and marry the interest of 25 countries, each one of them having the power to block decisions on most important issues, if the organization doesn’t function within the above parameters. I do not say or claim that mere power politics do not influence or play a role at all in the EU decision making process, but that they play the least role than in any other international organization and body. This is also why Cyprus (RoC) manages in the end to gradually get most of what it wants and aims out of the EU decisions, simply because it moves on the basis of principles, values and legitimacy, and this is something the Turkish side fails to understand and comprehend.