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[Kikapu]

Did you ever wonder, why the EU accepted the RoC into it's private "Christian Club".? I have, and what I'm beginning to understand better is, that the RoC was not accepted to join the EU block because what it can bring to the EU block, but rather, what it can keep out. What does Cyprus really have economically, military-ly, or any other -ly you can think of to enhance the EU's standing in the world. I would say from next to nothing to nothing. So what was the attraction then .?

EU, who believes in Democracy and civil liberties to all individuals, screwed-up when it gave membership to the RoC, without first unifying the island. Why be in such a hurry to allow a nation who has been involved in a civil war that was mainly of their making, by ignoring the basic foundation of the Constitution, that all citizens are expected to live by. Even internationally organized forum (Annan Plan) to unify the island, was not accepted by the EU, to wait until the problems were resolved, before allowing Cyprus's entry.

CYPRUS BLOCKS EU-TURKEY TALKS was the story in the papers the last couple of days. So can we now please stop with the BS that Cyprus and Greece wants Turkey in the EU block. But they are only 2 of the 25 EU "Christian Clubs" that does not want a Muslim nation joining in. Rather, countries like Germany and France and bunch of others, are now going to be using Cyprus to carry their "POISON PILL" to kill off any chances for Turkey to enter the EU, by linking the Cyprus problems to the talks. What better way to use little ol Cyprus to do other EU's nations dirty work. It was a small price to pay to allow Cyprus come into the EU, if it kept Turkey out.

You may start celebrating by RoC using it's limited power to stop Turkeys EU entry. The only problem is, the RoC is now assuring the GC refugees never to expect to return back to their homes again in Nothern part of Cyprus under the RoC, because the RoC is willing to be the "fall guy" for the EU to win some "browny point" by sticking it's nose way up the EU's ass. This will pave the way for the TC's to start their move to be annexed by Turkey, with it's permanent borders with the RoC, as the "Green Line" exists today. I believe, Turkey will invite all the GC refugees to return to their homes in the "North", if they want to live as a minority group with all rights given to them, which will be part of Turkey.

So can we please stop with all this "Solution to Cyprus" talk on this forum, when the RoC has no intentions in finding a solution, since their "masters" are calling the shots from Brussel. The RoC, has sent it's refugees down the river to drown, so as to be seen as a important political player on the world's stage.

[miltiades]

Kikapu you are out of order. Cyprus wants Turkey in the EU , so does Greece , but Turkey has to abide by the club rules .Obedience to the rules involves also recognising Cyprus . The ROC is the nation that became a member of the EU. What if the 15 million plus Kurds in Turkey set up their own republic within Turkey , what would the position of Turkey be then.
Cyprus is a member of the EU AS AN ENTIRE NATION , NOT AS NORTH OR SOUTH.
YOU ALSO STATE :
"What does Cyprus really have economically, military-ly, or any other -ly you can think of to enhance the EU's standing in the world. I would say from next to nothing to nothing. So what was the attraction then .? "

What is it then that attracted the Ottoman Empire in the first place , and Turkey subsequently.
I'm surprised that you do not think much of your birth country .

[cypezokyli]

first : what does the EU has to gain from malta ?
second : the EU doenot solve political / international conflicts
third : cyprus ofcource wants turkey in the EU , but it is going to use the EU to achieve some aims. it doesnt take a genious to know that that was the reason cyprus entered the EU , and that turkey had to expect that
fourth : even certain turks admit that the reason cyprus entered the EU was turkeys fatal mistake of still tolarating denktash , especially at haue and then kopenhagen , after the first versions of AP was introduced.
fifth : you might be right or might be wrong about your prediction - that turkey will abandon the EU and gc refuggees will loose. there are so many different variables that can work in favor or against such a prospect that i would be kind of careful in making definite predictions.

as a concequence it doesnot show that the RoC of cyprus doesnot want a solution. it might be the wrong strategy to achieve that.... or it might be the right one.... we cannot say (at least i cannot) from now.

[Kikapu]

[quote="miltiades"]"What does Cyprus really have economically, military-ly, or any other -ly you can think of to enhance the EU's standing in the world. I would say from next to nothing to nothing. So what was the attraction then .? "

What is it then that attracted the Ottoman Empire in the first place , and Turkey subsequently.
I'm surprised that you do not think much of your birth country .[/quote]

Miltiades,

With all due respect to you, please tell me what is it that Cyprus have that the EU cannot do without. Anything Cyprus had before joining the EU, was available to them already, so I do not understand what the urgency was to accept Cyprus without first setting conditions to solve the political problems at home. EU's actions took away any incentives the RoC may have had to solve the problem with Turkey before joining the EU, instead, now RoC wants to use the EU block to get the upper hand against Turkey, by playing the "squeeze game" to deny Turkeys entry, which would be a great relief to all the member States.

I think a lot of my country, but I don't like to see the RoC playing "Russian Roulette" with it by making peace with Turkey impossible, by leading the charge to prevent Turkey even having the very basic meetings with the EU. It will be the face of the RoC that will be seen, as to who was at fault for Turkeys denial to enter. I've said many times, that I don't think Turkey will ever be admitted into the EU Club for many reasons, other than Cyprus problems, but lets not let the RoC do others dirt work. The difference between united Cyprus or divided Cyprus, will be the outcome as to how the RoC plays it's hands in the political arena.

[Kartal_Aetos]

first of all, any1 who said greece or cyprus want turkey in the EU...besides the point...WHY does greece and cyprus want turkey in the EU? now theres an interesting question...

could it be that with turkey in the EU, the EU can sway Turkeys decision making? in turn, decision making about Cyprus?

very interesting indeed....


Kikapu, good theory...unfortunately, RoC do have a not so surprisingly good economy compared to any other country that was not in the EU and therefore competition...what are the EU gna do? dont accept Cyprus and accept bulgaria? with their f'd up economy and unemployment rate? i dont think so...the reasons for accepting cyprus are there...u just gotta think about it more carefully

[cypezokyli]

ofcource cyprus and greece want turkey in the EU!
the EU will not solve the problems , but for sure it has guaranteed up to now better relations between its members

[miltiades]

cypexokyli , you could ask the same of Malta or of any other nation. You join a club having met the criteria the club imposes upon you becoming a member. I don't think you could honestly quantify the benefits that the Club would derive by admitting a new member.However collectively the club members hopefully benefit. You must of course remember that its 60 years since Europe had a major war , could the EU have anything to do with this , could Turkey becoming a member push further away the threat of a major conflict ?

[Kartal_Aetos]

miltiades makes a good point...after all, any1 who knows anything about the EU knows that it was primarily set up in order to prevent war within europe again as there were fears after germany attacked a 2nd time...and it works...unfortunately, the objectives of the EU have changed...harmonisation for example was never a european goal until recently (relatively recently)

[cypezokyli]

precisely . thats also the reason why greece and spain were accepted after their dictatorships. liberalisation - trade - democratization - peace etc.

harmonisation has become a european goal for very sound reasons. the targets are not the same any more.

[Kikapu]

first : what does the EU has to gain from malta ?
second : the EU doenot solve political / international conflicts
third : cyprus ofcource wants turkey in the EU , but it is going to use the EU to achieve some aims. it doesnt take a genious to know that that was the reason cyprus entered the EU , and that turkey had to expect that
fourth : even certain turks admit that the reason cyprus entered the EU was .

Cypezokli,

I don't know why you think that EU or it's members are not in the business of solving political / international conflicts, when as part of NATO, they bombed the shit out of Yugoslavia, they sent troops to Iraq to fight a illegal war, they are trying to prevent Iran from advancing their nuclear technology, and helping the CIA to kidnap and torture terror suspect ( they were only suspects and not actual terrorists). So, if the EU and it's members got involved with all of the above and many other events, they could have all tried to solve the Cyprus problem before allowing the membership to Cyprus. When they made such offer for Cyprus to join the EU club with or without the approval of the Annan Plan, it was really an easy joice for PappaD, for not to approve it, believing that he can get all the concesions he wanted from Turkey, as Turkey entered it's talks with the EU. So, if the EU wanted to allow Turkey into the "Christian Club", they would have helped solve the Cyprus problem, otherwise, Cyprus issue would be a great excuse not to allow Turkeys membership.

PS. As to why allow Malta or any other country into the EU club is simple, they are all non-Muslims. Also, formation of EU was nothing more than to create an economic force to go head to head with the USA, and nothing to do with preventing wars.