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[JTR2006]

I am new on this forum but is the user Piratis above the one that everyone is talking about in the cyberworld?? The one who is always on the warpath with Cypriot nationalism form days gone by?
There is nothing wrong with visiting the turkish side of Cyprus. To me the Northern side is beautiful scenery wise, quite spectacular in places like Kyrenia where the mountains meet the sea. Far more less commercialised and well worth the visit. Onle then can you judge for yourself and form an opinion on the entire situation in Cyprus.
And to Piratis: Do you tell your fellow Greek Cypriots who flock to the norht for dirty weekends or evenings blowing all their wages in the TRNC casinos whilst drinkning with russian artists bought from the southern side whilst telling their church going wives they are on hunting trips with their mates not to go there?
PLEASE. if you speak like this then generalise it to apply to everyone. Not just to people who are obviously just visitors to our beautiful island.
By the way pleased to meet you piratis. Have heard a lot about you!

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Hi all. I will be visiting Cyprus for the first time later this year and have read a little about the divided country. I will be staying on the Greek side of the island but would like to visit the Turkish half. How hard is this and what does this half of the island have to offer as far as tourism?

Thanks, Barrie Monks

Hello monksb

You will receive a warm welcome in the north. Crossing the border is simmply a "rubber stamp" situation.

You may stay for as long as you wish. Many tourists fly into Larnacca and then spend their holiday in the north before flying home from Larnacca again.

Kyrenia harbour is a must as is Bellapais Abbey. Prices have risen over the last couple of years but it is still "reasonable" to eat out and have a holiday here.

Try to ignore the propoganda, there are valid arguments on both sides.

It's just that some do not tire of repeating the same slogans over and over and over and over and over......................and over again.

Regards

SP

[theresa]

hey Rickers, I dont believe that you ever been here in the North!! What on earth are you talking about? I have never seen gangs of men wandering around and as for lack of women on the streets - where on earth were you visiting??? I think you made it up .
Tess

[Kikapu]

Nobody said it is illegal to cross. What I said is that people that cross to the occupied areas should not use Hotels and other property that was stolen from Greek Cypriots. Since Greek Cypriots are the 80% of the population of the now occupied part of Cyprus, most Hotels and tourist facilities belong to them (or are build on land that belongs to them), and not to the Turks that stole them.

Monksb,

You may well be staying at a hotel or other facilities in the North that may have belonged to a Greek person, but since the moment you arrive in Larnaca airport in the South, you will be landing at a stolen land from the Turks, where the airport has been built on. Since there're no signs posted anywhere as to what belongs to whom, ignore the usual politics and have a good time where ever you go. I would still talk to locals, specially the older generation to understand what they had to go through. You will find, there're no winners and a lot of loosers.

[cadaunovera]

Omg WTF are you guys talking about,some of u are t**ts."TRNC" is ONLY recognised by Turkey.Me and my family didnt cross yet and we wont cz we wont go back to our homes as visitors.Turkey invaded Cyprus illegally.By buying in occupied Cyprus or going on holiday is like u support what Turks did and u recognise the FAKE "TRNC".Do u really think what they did was right?!Do u think its fair?its 2006 and Cyprus is still occupied.Its wrong going there and using STOLEN properties,because the land belongs to the Greek Cypriots refugees.Piratis is right.

[Alexander]

Omg WTF are you guys talking about,some of u are t**ts."TRNC" is ONLY recognised by Turkey.Me and my family didnt cross yet and we wont cz we wont go back to our homes as visitors.Turkey invaded Cyprus illegally.By buying in occupied Cyprus or going on holiday is like u support what Turks did and u recognise the FAKE "TRNC".Do u really think what they did was right?!Do u think its fair?its 2006 and Cyprus is still occupied.Its wrong going there and using STOLEN properties,because the land belongs to the Greek Cypriots refugees.Piratis is right.

Quite right, it’s not a stroll down the Torquay Promenade. As, for Greek Cypriots, continuously visiting the occupied areas is tantamount to condoning the bloody occupation of this country. Those that visit casinos and beer halls should be strung from the nearest tree and left to rot. As for foreign tourist, visits by local malcontents to the nearest Turkish whore house does not excuse your behavior. Jews might rightly be offended if the Poles turned one or two death camps into night spots. Well it’s the same for us. Do what is right and stay well away

[Piratis]

Those that want tourist to visit the occupied areas so they can profit themselves can they please tell me what of what I said is "propaganda"?

The UN resolution calling for the withdrawal of all foreign troops from the Republic of Cyprus, or the UN resolution declaring the so called "trnc" as legally invalid asking from all countries not to recognize any other country in Cyprus except from Republic of Cyprus?

What I say are nothing more and nothing less than FACTS. Now if some of you have personal gains from the crime that is committed against Cyprus, it doesn't mean that you should drag others in this with you.

I am new on this forum but is the user Piratis above the one that everyone is talking about in the cyberworld?? The one who is always on the warpath with Cypriot nationalism form days gone by?

We are in war since 1974 when Turkey invaded our island. You do know this fact right? There is nothing nationalistic in what I say. Is asking from Turkey to obey the UN resolutions "nationalistic"? Or is the desire to see my country liberated from foreign occupation nationalistic? Maybe the whole Europe that fought for liberation from the Nazis is nationalistic then?

And to Piratis: Do you tell your fellow Greek Cypriots who flock to the norht for dirty weekends or evenings blowing all their wages in the TRNC casinos whilst drinkning with russian artists bought from the southern side whilst telling their church going wives they are on hunting trips with their mates not to go there?

Since this is your definition of people that visit the occupied areas for fun, then why you want to drag decent people along with such scum?
Of course I condemn the actions of those idiots. It goes without saying.

As I said before it is fine to go to the occupied areas for a day trip. It is even better if your visit there has something to do with solving the Cyprus problem or reapproachment of the two communities.
But going there to have fun by using stolen Greek Cypriot properties is unethical to say the least.

[JTR2006]

As I said before it is fine to go to the occupied areas for a day trip. It is even better if your visit there has something to do with solving the Cyprus problem or reapproachment of the two communities.
But going there to have fun by using stolen Greek Cypriot properties is unethical to say the least.

Spot On. Its not right. Many of the casinos in the north are run in old houses which have been converted renovated and built upon and added to since the invasion. I would never feel comfortable spending money i would feel guilty walking into a place like that.

We are in war since 1974 when Turkey invaded our island. You do know this fact right? There is nothing nationalistic in what I say. Is asking from Turkey to obey the UN resolutions "nationalistic"? Or is the desire to see my country liberated from foreign occupation nationalistic? Maybe the whole Europe that fought for liberation from the Nazis is nationalistic then?

No its not unrealistic and quite rational when you put it in that context. But many of your posts have gained you notoriety in the way they are written, and i was warned about you Piratis before i joined this forum which is why am going to keep out of the Cyprus Problem area of the site then we can all stay friends.

[miltiades]

JTR2006 , you have posted very well thought out posts and have been very helpful in providing information on the diabetic issue raised by our newcomer to the forum.
As far as Piratis goes I have tremendous respect for his beliefs and his intricate knowledge of the Cyprus problem. He has always referred to the Turkish Cypriots as our compatriots , where we differ is the issue of majority rule on which most of his posts are based on. I understand the concept of one man one vote and majority rule as it applies throughout the civilized world. Cyprus however is , to say the least , somewhat unique in having 40 thousand occupation troops on its soil and the prospect of permanent partition staring us in the face.
One man one vote will come to Cyprus in the future when political parties are formulated based on manifestos and not on ethnic divides , and when these parties embrace all Cypriots then we can have one man one vote.It is inconceivable to insist that the 18% minority have no voice in Cyprus , since they are governed by the majority.
The Turkish Cypriots will never accept this and the Turkish Troops will remain on Our soil for ever. The efforts of our government must be intensified in order to come up with proposals that will be seen by the Greek and Turkish Cypriot majorities as constructive towards a permanent solution.

[Kikapu]

One sided propaganda?

I said: northern Cyprus is illegally occupied by Turkey - this is an UNDINIABLE FACT


So don't tell me that what I say is "one sided propaganda". The one sided is Turkey, being the ONLY country in the world that recognizes the "trnc" and not the Republic of Cyprus and refusing that its occupation of Republic of Cyprus is illegal.

What happened in 1963 wan an inter-communal conflict with same casualties from both Greek and Turkish Cypriots. That has nothing to do with 2006 and the totally unexcused illegal occupation of the northern part of Republic of Cyprus by Turkey.

If you take us 43 years in the past to excuse crimes of today, then you might also go a bit earlier and have a look at how Turks first came to our island by buttering people by the 10s of thousands and burning down our cities.

Piratis,

Your first response to Monksb post was pure propaganda, even though you were giving FACTS, it's just that, you were "cherry picking" the information you gave him, leaving the impression with him, that the invasion just happened in a "vacuum" against helpless and innocent Greek Cypriots. When feeding someone selective and one sided story that does not include the actions of your own side and only the actions of your enemy, that is 100% propaganda. I must admit, you had adjusted to give a little bit more balanced overview as to what did happen in your quote above, and I commend you for that.