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[Natty]

Hey,
Look I don't want to go into the whole the Gc's started it, or actually the TC's started it, because from what I have read it seems that both parties kicked things off...Or even whether Makarios was "bad" or not, however what people have to take into account is the fact that the people that wanted ennosis at that time, ie the junta and EOKA-B who were again supported by less than 2% of the population, had to attempt to kill Makarios to get what they wanted.....however I am not saying that he never made any mistakes....I know that the TC's are scared that some extremest GC's will come into powere and oppress them, but that is impossible in Cyprus now, even after Makarios was overthrown he was back in goverment a few days, or weeks later (not sure when). Cyprus is a democracy after all......The Gc's are not after the TC's, they do not want to get rid of them, or oppress them they just want a united Island..The only way this problem is going to be resolved is by the Cypriot people trusting each other...I think the Majority, Minority seems to be a big thing....GC's maybe feel that the TC's compared to other minorities are getting slightly more than they should, and that the GC's because of this have to sacrifice more things than the TC's and maybe the TC's feel that if they don't get these things they will be oppressed...I don't know, but the two side's need to listen to each other and stop being so stubborn, like all Cypriots seem to be especially my mum.....lol

And yes the intercommunal fighting was just that, intercommunal, a similar number on both sides were killed, thats what the figures say anyway....But again it was provoked by people who did not want good for this country, or it's people, they tried to make it Greek, again'st Turk..We should be angry with them not each other....Actually we shouldn't be angry at all,we should move on and forgive....

Cypriots need to be able to make there own decisions, however they still do not have the luxury to do this..for example the annan plan, GC's rejected it because they felt that it was being dictated by other countries, Britain and America....Just like the Zurich agreement, they did not another flawed plan that was bound to not work...well at least I think thats why, thats what it seems like to me anyway...

Peace!!!

[Piratis]

Kikapu, apparently you read only what you want to read from what I write.

You are the one who demonizes GCs putting all the blame on them and demand their punishment for eternity, while you present TCs as the virgin mary and the innocent victims.

When did you condemn the terrorist organization of TMT? NEVER! On the other hand I have condemned both TMT and EOKA B.

When did you condemn the Turkish invasion? NEVER! On the other hand I condemn both the invasion and the coup by the junta of Athens.

I take all facts and I am not trying to defend any crimes committed by GCs, like you do for the crimes committed by TCs and Turkey.

I know that it serves your aim of partition to try and present GCs in the most negative way possible. This is why I have been convinced long long time ago that there is no way to peacefully reunite Cyprus. (and this is why I don't give a damn to be likable by partitionists of your kind)

webmagus, unfortunately all societies have some people like you. I don't know if I should blame you for this, or your parents for they way they brought you up. Maybe it is a fault of our society as a whole.

Fortunately your kind can not take up arms and do "what is right" today as you did in the past. Democracy is now strong and either you like it or not the direction that Cyprus is taking is the direction that the majority of people want it to take (proven by elections, referendum, polls etc) This is democracy my friend, either you like it or not.

[miltiades]

Webmagus , Piratis is not a fascist neither is he advocating anything but peaceful coexistence between the two communities . I have agreed with much of what he says and disagreed with more. He has for Cyprus a vision that we all share , a united Cyprus with equal rights for all it's citizens. The sooner however that we all agree that Cyprus is one entity , one nation with NO MOTHERLANDS , no bloody flags of foreign countries flying on our churches and mosques but one flag and that flag , designed by a T/C incidentally , is the flag of Cyprus.
I say to my T/C compatriots. Put pressure on the foreign army , that is the Turkish army , to remove from Pentadaxtilos that obscene symbol that does nothing other than antagonise the vast majority of Cypriots.
I say to Piratis , confront the churches flying the Greek symbol and tell them that we have our flag to fly if indeed they , the churches , want to be seen as in the fore front of a united Cyprus.

[Piratis]

He has for Cyprus a vision that we all share , a united Cyprus with equal rights for all it's citizens.

Apparently this is the "Nazi fascist" vision according to webmagus and some others

I say to Piratis , confront the churches flying the Greek symbol and tell them that we have our flag to fly if indeed they , the churches , want to be seen as in the fore front of a united Cyprus.

Miltiades, I am atheist. Beyond that I think the state and church should be completely separated, and I don't give a damn what flags the Christians, Muslims, Buddhists etc are flying as long as they do not threaten the liberties and the human rights of others.

In school I refused to go to church when it was required and I had many heated arguments with the religion teachers, usually alone since most others were either religious or afraid to talk.

[webmagus]

webmagus, unfortunately all societies have some people like you. I don't know if I should blame you for this, or your parents for they way they brought you up. Maybe it is a fault of our society as a whole.

This is your answer?

You nationalistic education is located before 1 000 years so don’t be so proud about your education because you are just another brainless Taliban.

Like Makarios.

Like Grivas.

Like Papadopoulos.

Like Ntektash.

This is your kind.

Off course Cyprus have been destroyed from some fouls of your kind and not by my kind.

Brainless ignorant nationalistic joke.

Yes unfortunately their always someone to speak the truth.

I realy like your fart answer you are high educated nazi.

Fortunately your kind can not take up arms and do "what is right" today as you did in the past. Democracy is now strong and either you like it or not the direction that Cyprus is taking is the direction that the majority of people want it to take (proven by elections, referendum, polls etc) This is democracy my friend, either you like it or not.

I did?

You are brainless foul and you accused me based in your metaphysical dreams.

I’ve nothing to do with EOKA B and they were stupids just like you are.

I’ve to say to you once more you ridiculous president was insult me.

OKAY?

If this is your facking democracy and if the Makarios theocracy was a democracy put this democracy where it fits fine (you know where) because this democracy is shit and it mast go back to where belong.

And if you continue to bullshiting me what I’m EOKA B member I’ll stop to be so kind.

You are ABSULUTLY brainless foul.

And you have answered my arguments with a bullshit accusation like a normal fascist often do.

Brainless foul is democracy to let our ridiculous president to insult as the is also democracy do give back what you get.

And stop bullshiting me about your dream democracy. You can’t even understand what you are saying.

[Kartal_Aetos]

webmagus, calm down...we're not here to start trouble but discuss affairs...

miltiades, u kno i've always respected ur opinion but there is no way to put pressure on the turkish army...our police department is controlled by the army...the army rule everything...they are a shadow president...people used to get arrested for voicing their leftist opinions in newspapers...the situation is pretty screwed but getting better...

piratis, i agree with u that state should not be governed by religious institutions and i too am an atheist...i have always believed that religion teaches people to hate others with different religions...how can such a 'great' thing cause so much trouble? a war that lasted 1000 years???? all because of religion...the discrimination everywhere in the world all because of religion...what god would want that?

[miltiades]

Piratis , you know my views on religion but I think you will agree that churches and mosques exert a great deal of influence on our people , albeit Cyprus is not an ultra religious nation but never the less the religious establishments do play an important role in formulating peoples thoughts .

I tend to avoid using the word atheist since it has connotations of an anarchist , undisciplined untrustworthy etc etc. My preference is the non believer version.

[webmagus]

He is not a fascist in feelings he is fascist on his dreams and thoughts.

I’ll put back my arguments and I’m waiting to see where is the logic on the bullshits he is supporting and where I’m wrong.

And how his answer accusation fits in what I’ve said.

No one can support Pirates bullshits in a serious conversation.

That’s why no one in Europe is open to Nazis of this kind.

They only accept TC’s as a minority this is far away out of reality.

TC’s are a community and by the law.

Off course this kind of brainless fouls are far away from reality
(they live in a metaphysical dream build with bullshits) .

They believe what the today’s political data is fake creation of USA and UK they can’t realize what the TC’s have the right to protect their community (like Montenegro).

The USSR also has accepted the TC’s as a community and this is the facking reality.

And the whole world accepts TC’s as a community.

They can see only conspiracy and metaphysical bullshits.

They are unable to deal with reality.

Only some brainless fouls who are far away from reality can believe what TC’s haven’t the right to be a community.

Anything else is pure fascistic illness.

Democracy for BRAINLESS fascist is only their point of view.

THERE IS NOT ONE serious politician who can support this bullshits.

All the GC’s political parties except Evrokotes officially accept TC’s as a community.

Everything else is far away from reality and are spread out to some fouls to achieve the division.

There is not democracy in these stupid thoughts, there are just nazistic bullshits.

And this will never be our official political line because the Europeans will drop dead from laughing and we will become the comedians of political and democratical jokes.

Where his answer fits?

[miltiades]

Kartal_Aetos you are a level headed man and I like what you say .Cyprus belongs to us Cypriots and you my dear friend is one hell of a lot a Cypriot.
I'm glad we have the same God !!!
I note your comments on the army's control of things , and again it re-enforces my beliefs that my Cypriot compatriots the TCs , share my dreams of being together again sharing a drink , a coffee , a laugh and maybe , just maybe , sharing this beautiful island of ours.

[Piratis]

piratis, i agree with u that state should not be governed by religious institutions and i too am an atheist...i have always believed that religion teaches people to hate others with different religions...how can such a 'great' thing cause so much trouble? a war that lasted 1000 years???? all because of religion...the discrimination everywhere in the world all because of religion...what god would want that?

Unfortunately "great things" are not for earth human beings. Maybe one day we will find a civilization in some other planet that can have those theories as a practice. I have nothing against usual religious people. Don't worry and be happy.

The problem starts when those people are manipulated, fanaticized and turned against each other in the name of "God".

Without religion the world in general and Cyprus in particular would have one less excuse for conflict. Then again each person is free to believe whatever he wants and unfortunately believing in some sort of "God" is deep rooted in our cultures, maybe even in the human nature. So maybe the solution for the masses is not atheism, but a more abstract kind of god without human "representatives".