Cyprus-Forum.com

[Alexander]

It’s the Turks that invaded, it’s the Turks that pillaged and raped, it’s the Turks that have desecrated churches, and flattened whole villages. You do keep forgetting that you are the criminals. THE CRIMINALS. Turks have turned a once civilized part of the Mediterranean into something resembling Kabul or Islamabad.

[Pasha]

It’s the Turks that invaded, it’s the Turks that pillaged and raped, it’s the Turks that have desecrated churches, and flattened whole villages. You do keep forgetting that you are the criminals. THE CRIMINALS. Turks have turned a once civilized part of the Mediterranean into something resembling Kabul or Islamabad.

I suppose the actions of EOKA and the GC's 1963 onwards were civilised right?

You seem to forget that the GC's pillage/rape/desecration of the Turks pre-dates the 1974 operation by a decade.

[Piratis]

Piratis my unfortunate and deluded neighbour, your hate for anything Turkish including us clouds and distorts your mindset.

I hate anybody that is trying to take away my legal, human and democratic rights.

If you personally choose to belong to the racist criminals that violate legality and human rights of others simply because of their race, then you deserve to be hated. Do you expect to be loved when you do nothing more than hateful and criminal illegal actions??

You were a conquered people back in 1571, if you look back in history you will see all great empires fought major battles where many perished and conquered the weak nations, this is not exclusive to the Ottomans so get over it.

Unfortunately the Turks are stuck in the middle ages and still ignore human rights and international law by violating the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus. When will the Turkish state leave these middle age practices behind and move ahead into something more civilized?

My problem is not what happened in the past. As I said many times I am more than willing to forgive and even forget the past. Unfortunately you choose to selectively remember tiny parts of the past as an excuse to continue what you have always done: Land grab, violations of human rights, disrespect to international law etc. I ask again: When will the Turkish state come out of the middle ages when land grab was the norm? When will you cut the excuses and start showing some respect to international law, human rights and democracy? Will you ever do such thing voluntarily?

I suppose the actions of EOKA and the GC's 1963 onwards were civilised right?

No. And EOKA B that you are talking about was an illegal organization and their actions are not excused.

You seem to forget that the GC's pillage/rape/desecration of the Turks pre-dates the 1974 operation by a decade.

And the butchering of GCs by the 10s of thousands preceded that. So if you want to play the "Who started it first" game, the answer is that the Turks did. And if you want to play the "who did the most crimes" the answer is again the Turks.

So cut the games and the lame excuses to excuse the illegalities and human rights violations that you insist TODAY.

No crimes can be excused no matter were they come from. Selectively choosing tiny parts of history to excuse even more crimes against GCs is a crime that is committed today and you apparently support it.

[Pasha]

We aren't playing the "who started it first" game. The fact is, all the rulers of the country in the past, all the negative history was done away with and given a new start when Cyprus was given it's independence in 1960.

It's a shame this only lasted three years, but you cannot blame us for the actions of the GC's at the time!

[Piratis]

There you go again playing the "who started it first" game and doing it incorrectly.

1960 was not the beginning. It was a continuation of the racist separation of Cypriots that started with the Ottoman rule.

A new beginning would be a democratic and truly independent (without "guarantors" and foreign armies) Cyprus, were all citizens would be equal without racist discriminations and unfair parameters (e.g. that the 18% of TCs should have 30% of governmental positions).

Unfortunately Cypriots were NEVER allowed to design their own constitution and take decisions for their own country. This means that a true Independence was never given.

It's a shame this only lasted three years, but you cannot blame us for the actions of the GC's at the time!

The actions of GCs? What about the actions of TCs that never stopped of dreaming about partition, that closely followed the directions of Turkey that would lead them to this aim, that murdered GCs with their TMT and other illegal organizations, that used their veto powers intentionally in a way to make the government impossible to function?

The fact is that immediately after the British "left" the Turks started planing of how to take back Cyprus that used to be part of their empire. They managed to take half of it.

Stop giving lame excuses for the illegal occupation of the sovereign Republic of Cyprus by a foreign country. There is absolutely no excuse.

[Alexander]

We aren't playing the "who started it first" game. The fact is, all the rulers of the country in the past, all the negative history was done away with and given a new start when Cyprus was given it's independence in 1960.

It's a shame this only lasted three years, but you cannot blame us for the actions of the GC's at the time!

We don’t need to. You started and are still doing it. You can’t see another race without wanting to kill it. I guess it’s in your genetic makeup. All those thousand of years on the Mongolian plains. Having tanks and guns doesn’t make you civilized.

[MR-from-NG]

I guess it’s in your genetic makeup.

Yes Alexander, we are all rapists and murderers, all the more reason to forget reunification. You stay where you are we stay where we are. This way you cant be raped and murdered.

[MR-from-NG]

My problem is not what happened in the past. As I said many times I am more than willing to forgive and even forget the past.

Piratis,

What planet are you on? Let me get this straight, are you trying to tell me that we TC's are at your mercy and begging for your forgiveness? Oh my f*****g god, you need psychiatric help.

You better start praying the TC's are ready and willing to forgive and forget.

[Kikapu]

Piratis,

When ever I read your posts of the past history between the Turks and Greek Cpriots since 1571, and how you always justify GC's actions against the TC's by saying "we were only 1% at fault versus 99% Turks". Am I correct to assume, you mean the Turks from Turkey and not the Turkish Cypriots, that did all the killings against the GC's, and if I'm correct, why was it the Turkish Cypriots were made to pay the price from 1963 to 1974, since your enemy was Turkey and not your own countrymen (TC's). Were the Turkish Cypriot only "guilty by association" to Turkey to justify the brutal attacks against the TC's between 1963 to 1974.

[AL]

hello to everyone, this is my first time on the forum,although i have been watching for a few months now. I would like to say a big thankyou to all those who complained to channel5 about that ripoff show. it was nothing more than a cheap way of highlighting a way of exploiting the cyprus problem. I emailed them with the contemt they deserved. I have had a love for all things cypriot for nearly 20yrs. Anyway after all that I just wanted to say hello.