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[Justwantpeace]

Please people, why is there so much fighting.

Firstly mrfromng, Alexander & malaka stop argueing, you are all equally abusive and offensive. Have some respect for each other and show the rest of us that you’re older then 10 years old. Cyprus is the most beautiful place on this planet, and everyone would love to live there, but they don't. Only two cultures own it, the GC's and the TC's. So be proud to be Cypriots and love what you have. I'm a TC and have loads of GC friends; we all get on really well, but that’s because we respect each other.

I have a few points to make, just to get them off my chest.

1) When I was in south Cyprus last year my best friends father (Greek Cypriot) showed me a Map of Cyprus before 1974, the map showed the population in each village in Cyprus. This was a Greek map that clearly showed that the Greeks owned 2/3rds of the island while the Turks owned 1/3rd. So that means the island ownership wasn't much different then it is now, the only difference now is that the island is split more clearly. As for the properties on the island. I have seen loads of evidence that both sides have sold property they shouldn't have. My families property was in the south, when they went to visit it a few years back there was nothing left, everything had been knocked down and there were clubs built over the land. My best friends family had property in the north that has been occupied by a Turkish family. So it is happening on both sides.

2) I absolutely agree that Greek and Turkish owned property from before the war should not be allowed to be sold, that is until an equal and fair resolution is thought of. But the thing that is annoying is that there are hundreds of Turkish owned properties and land in the North that were never owned by Greeks, which they have problems selling because of the trouble some GC's are causing, while GC's are allowed to sell their own properties in the south without trouble. Where is the equality in that.

3) The reason a lot of TC's don't want a reunification of the island is because they feel they would never be treated equally to GC's, and although I would love to see a reunification of the island I can understand why they feel that way. We were meant to have unified government back in 1960 which only lasted 3 years, and there was a lot of violence to the Turks between 1963 to 1974 from ENOSIS (Greece not GC's), the TC's begged for help from the Greek, British and Turkish governments and although turkey threatened to intervene several times, they waited several years before invading in 1974. So it is understandable why Turks are afraid to trust anyone.

4) Also according to some of my GC friends there was someone named “Nicos Sampson” who was part of the ENOSIS. In early 1970’s this man wanted to take control in Cyprus so that neither Greek nor Turkish Cypriots had a say in Cyprus and that Greece had main control. So if Turkey hadn’t invaded, Greek Cypriots may have not had the freedom they enjoy today. I don’t really know much on ENOSIS, just what some of my Greek friends have told me so I don’t really know how much truth there is to this.

Regardless of all that has happened in the past, I strongly believe that one day we will sort out our differences. I go to both North and South Cyprus regularly and have to say at least 80% of Greek and Turkish Cypriots are the most warmest, loving and caring people in the Mediterranean. We have the best island in the world. And as soon as the British, Europe, Greece and Turkey leave the island alone the sooner the Turkish and Greek Cypriot brothers can kiss and make up. People need to start looking to the future and let go of the past. And people like mrfromng, Alexander & malaka need to realise that all they do with their cursing and moaning is damage the future of Cyprus.

[theresa]

I agree with you 100% justwantpeace!!!

[andri_cy]

Thanks justwantpeace.

[Alexander]

Please people, why is there so much fighting.

Firstly mrfromng, Alexander & malaka stop argueing, you are all equally abusive and offensive. Have some respect for each other and show the rest of us that you’re older then 10 years old. Cyprus is the most beautiful place on this planet, and everyone would love to live there, but they don't. Only two cultures own it, the GC's and the TC's. So be proud to be Cypriots and love what you have. I'm a TC and have loads of GC friends; we all get on really well, but that’s because we respect each other.

I have a few points to make, just to get them off my chest.

1) When I was in south Cyprus last year my best friends father (Greek Cypriot) showed me a Map of Cyprus before 1974, the map showed the population in each village in Cyprus. This was a Greek map that clearly showed that the Greeks owned 2/3rds of the island while the Turks owned 1/3rd. So that means the island ownership wasn't much different then it is now, the only difference now is that the island is split more clearly. As for the properties on the island. I have seen loads of evidence that both sides have sold property they shouldn't have. My families property was in the south, when they went to visit it a few years back there was nothing left, everything had been knocked down and there were clubs built over the land. My best friends family had property in the north that has been occupied by a Turkish family. So it is happening on both sides.

2) I absolutely agree that Greek and Turkish owned property from before the war should not be allowed to be sold, that is until an equal and fair resolution is thought of. But the thing that is annoying is that there are hundreds of Turkish owned properties and land in the North that were never owned by Greeks, which they have problems selling because of the trouble some GC's are causing, while GC's are allowed to sell their own properties in the south without trouble. Where is the equality in that.

3) The reason a lot of TC's don't want a reunification of the island is because they feel they would never be treated equally to GC's, and although I would love to see a reunification of the island I can understand why they feel that way. We were meant to have unified government back in 1960 which only lasted 3 years, and there was a lot of violence to the Turks between 1963 to 1974 from ENOSIS (Greece not GC's), the TC's begged for help from the Greek, British and Turkish governments and although turkey threatened to intervene several times, they waited several years before invading in 1974. So it is understandable why Turks are afraid to trust anyone.

4) Also according to some of my GC friends there was someone named “Nicos Sampson” who was part of the ENOSIS. In early 1970’s this man wanted to take control in Cyprus so that neither Greek nor Turkish Cypriots had a say in Cyprus and that Greece had main control. So if Turkey hadn’t invaded, Greek Cypriots may have not had the freedom they enjoy today. I don’t really know much on ENOSIS, just what some of my Greek friends have told me so I don’t really know how much truth there is to this.

Regardless of all that has happened in the past, I strongly believe that one day we will sort out our differences. I go to both North and South Cyprus regularly and have to say at least 80% of Greek and Turkish Cypriots are the most warmest, loving and caring people in the Mediterranean. We have the best island in the world. And as soon as the British, Europe, Greece and Turkey leave the island alone the sooner the Turkish and Greek Cypriot brothers can kiss and make up. People need to start looking to the future and let go of the past. And people like mrfromng, Alexander & malaka need to realise that all they do with their cursing and moaning is damage the future of Cyprus.

Thank you for the "fair polemic" . You might like to try and read your posts before sending them. Are you supposed to be the fair minded Turkish Cypriot? I dont think you give Greeks Cypriots much to hope for.

[miltiades]

Justwantpeace, welcome to the forum , If you really want to work towards peace in Cyprus do try not to antagonise one or the other side by stating second hand information as a fact.
I have for many years been fighting for the unification of Cyprus and yet I was strongly against the Annan plan for a myriad of reasons. Therefore the vast majority of Cypriots who voted against the plan did so specifically because they , like me , felt that this plan did not offer Cyprus a real chance of peace in the future. One thing you must also understand is that the vast majority of Cypriots wanted ENOSIS , there is nothing wrong in a majority of any nation demanding a particular action.
You state the property share and mention a figure of Turkish Cypriot owned property amounting to 1/3 , and yet the T/Cs represented the 18% of the population . Now are you seriously telling us that each T/c owned approximately twice the property of each G/C . Such false figures from either side are not constructive in establishing a common ground that we can all focus on in order to work towards a just and permanent solution.
Personally I don't give a damn who is the majority or the minority. I view Cyprus as my country and all Cypriots as my compatriots , and would not have a problem if a political party elected as its leader a T/C ., an Armenian or G/C provided that they worked for the benefit of Cyprus and did not look to Turkey or Greece for guidance.
Europe is part of Cyprus , Cyprus is part of Europe , occupied Cyprus is not. It will never be recognised by the International community and it belongs to us , the Cypriots .Together we can find a solution mutually acceptable.
One more point , many T/Cs mostly those who were not around in the 50s and 60s talk about "annihilation of the T/Cs by the Greeks. Rubbish.Murders occurred , by both sides inflamed by their fucking motherlands and their bloody rugs , ask those T/Cs that lived during those years in mixed villages and they will tell you .

[G.Man]

Malaka

be a part of the solution not the problem...

bickering with your opposite side merely continues to fuel hatred... if you get trolled, the best course of action is to ignore, as when trolls cannot get a rise they shrink away...

There are many many turkish cypriots who want to be re-united for one cyprus and everyone should be pushing for the same for the best for the cypriot people...

It is rediculous for a small island like cyprus to be spending millions on arms and army when that money could be better spent strengthening the cyprus economy, and the longer the hatred continues the less likely that is to happen...

I dont see the TC's and GC's going to war over what streets in north london they can share...

[cypezokyli]

hi justwantpeace and welcome to the forum.

1. another forum member (kifeas) has up to now , 10ths of times posted the distribution of land between gcs and tcs. actually tcs even owened less than 18%. believe me, this is undisputed

2. i cannot imagine what kind of problems a gc would cause to a tc who wants to sell his land in the north! he obviously cannot take him to court , or argue that that specific piece of land doesnot belong to the tc!

3. thats why we agreed to a bizonal bicommunal federation , as a basis for a solution. to exactly deal with these fears

4. the idea of enosis you presented has some truths in it , but it is rather confused.

but in general you are right. we should look in the future.

[Piratis]

Please people, why is there so much fighting.

One reason is one sided arguments and lies that some people say for propaganda purposes.

One lie is that the 18% of TCs has been the rich land lords of Cyprus before 74 and owned 1/3rd of the island!!!!! What else are we going to hear??

Here are the numbers:



and maps:



An interactive map:

http://kypros.org/Occupied_Villages/indexe.html

Beyond that, yes you are right about ENOSIS, Samson etc. However you shouldn't be one sided. Those events represent less than 1% of our common history on this island. Do not forget the rest 99% were the Turks were the ones oppressing and killing the Greek Cypriots violating their human rights, something that continues until today with the illegal Turkish occupation.

When Greek Cypriots are ready to forgive Turks for that 99% of history I believe Turkish Cypriots should also be willing to forgive Greek Cypriots for that 1% of history instead of using it as an excuse for yet more crimes against GCs.

[Viewpoint]

You forgot to blame the British and everyone else under the sun, always the Turks for you Piratis.

[Piratis]

always the Turks for you Piratis

I talk with facts. If you wish lets take Cyprus history from the beginning and lets see if I am wrong.

Here is a summary:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=5284

Try instead of selectively taking the tiny parts that suit your propaganda to take history as a whole, and then you will see that I am right when I say that Turks have caused to GCs 100 times more suffering than the other way around. Trying to prove that the half million GCs have caused more suffering to Turks is ridiculous to say the least.
We are a small community under a huge and very hostile towards us country. That talks for itself.