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[miltiades]

Viewpoint , what makes you think that I'm in the minority , quite the opposite , don't just look at this forum , believe me the overwhelming majority want a united Cyprus with all its citizens equal under the laws of the land.
I have come across the likes of Alexander and GSGirl and honestly they are the minority .
Do not allow the results of the referendum cloud your judgement , I have already posted on more than one occasion that I also was opposed to the Annan plan and stated my reasons for my position.
My views are shared by the large majority of Cypriots who want nothing more than a peaceful coexistence with their fellow countrymen in a prosperous and dynamic Cyprus.

[Pasha]

I have to say, I actually have a lot of love for Miltiades! Three Cheers! lol

[Viewpoint]

you are ruled by the mentality that prople like Piratis, Kifeas and Alexander display so easily, they are the voice of many GCs who do not show their true feelings and only want to dominate given they are numerically larger than us. Well aint gonna happen unless we feel safe guards are in place to protect our community from ignorant people like Alexander who were in the same in the 1960s only takes a few to influence the silent support of many.

[Piratis]

I have love and respect for my fellow man, that includes black, white, Indian Greeks and GC's the whole human race.

Those are empty words full of hypocrisy mrfromng. Where is your respect to others when you support the violation of their human rights and you support the Turkish army for keeping them away from their own homes at gun point?

I don't know whether TC's may or may not have wanted partition soon after the constitution was written, but what is know as a fact, is that, Makarios was building up to 5'000 secret militia force for something he had in mind for the TC's, and soon after that, he wanted to alter the constitution, knowing full well, that the TC's would never agree to it. So you really can't blame the TC's for fighting to keep the constitution intact, no matter how unfair it may have been written against the GC's. Makarios should have used a democratic way to change it.

Makarios didn't do anything undemocratic. He simply proposed changes to the constitution. In fact those changes were never implemented neither in 1963 or later. So stop the lies and theories about what Makarios "had in mind".
Maybe a murderer would now be justified to come and kill you with the excuse that you had something bad in mind? I hope you understand how lame and ridiculous that excuse is.

As far as TC's celebrating arrival of the Turkish invasion force, would be a little surprise if they did not. TC's for the most part were at the mercy of the GC's from 1963 until 1974. Those years would have been the best time for the Greek Cypriots to correct the mistakes of 1963 and look for a solution, but instead you had 80% of the country (GC's ) going about their lives as normal as possible, knowing full well, the other 20% ( TC's ) had to live from day to day under the protection of the UN. Yes, I'm not at all surprised that the TC's saw the arrival of the invasion force as their day of freedom as if it was their version of the "Normandy landings".

Nomandy landings liberated France from the foreign occupation. The Turkish invasion was a land grab followed by ethnic cleansing. How can you confuse these exact opposite things?
The closer example in WWII that resembles what happened in Cyprus was when Hitler had invaded Czechoslovakia using the excuse of protecting the German minority there.

You insist on blaming only the GCs for the intercommunal conflict presenting the TCs as the victims. It was not like that. An about equal number of GCs and TCs had been killed during that conflict. The TCs were supplied weapons from Turkey to fight for their partition dream, and TCs terrorist organization of TMT was murdering innocent Greek Cypriots.

So in that conflict both sides were equally guilty. Would you also support the ethnic cleansing of TCs from Cyprus as a way of ending that conflict in the way that you support the ethnic cleansing of Greek Cypriots?

Do you think the Greek Cypriots made the right decision when they tried to change the constitution in the 60's?

As I said above Makarios made proposals for the change of constidution. Since when is making proposals for changing something that is obviously racist and unfair (e.g. 18% of TCs having 30% of governmental jobs), something bad?

Why was the constitution accepted then if you didnt think it was just or in your words "forced upon you"?

Because no other option was given. It was either that or continuation of the British rule. It is like if I take you hostage and I ask you if you prefer to cut your arm or your head giving you no other option. Thats what happened.

[Viewpoint]

yeah yeah Piratis keep churning out the same old rhetoric, you sound like a child that has his toy taken away. You lit the fuse and now you blame all and sundry except yourselves.
I have stated in the past in order to get to where u want to go you have to negotiate with us to find middle ground, your leaders can make as many excuses as they wish but they will not get anywhere unless they win over the TCs and provide the safe guards that will ensure that you can be trusted again. Good Luck.

[Piratis]

Here we go with the "You lit the fuse" crap again. Dude, we were living on this island for 3000 years until you came and started butchering people by the 10s of thousands and then oppressing us for centuries. So how did we lit the fuse???? Oh, I forgot, we "lit the fuse" when we decided that the future of this island should be decided democratically by its own people instead of foreign rulers such as the British and the Ottomans. Right? Sure sure, when the great majority of the population is butchered and oppressed is not "lit the fuse" when those people demand democracy it is!!

Will you ever stop the excuses for committing crimes, illegalities and human rights violations? Or there will always be good excuses for Turks for committing ethnic cleansing, genocides and land grabs?

[MR-from-NG]

Excellent post Viewpoint. I agree with everything you say.

Piratis, you are really repetitive and boring.

[Piratis]

Piratis, you are really repetitive and boring.

OK, come and give me some lessons of supporting ethnic cleansing and human right violations. Then I could shave my head and join you to wave the Nazi and the "trnc" flags.

Thats the change that you expect from me I guess, instead of my firm support to democracy, legality and human rights which are things that apparently bore a person with values like yours.

[miltiades]

How absolutely correct you are Viewpoint in stating the following :
" but they will not get anywhere unless they win over the TCs and provide the safe guards that will ensure that you can be trusted again. Good Luck. "

Of course we will not get any where , we need all the support we can master from own people , our Turkish Cypriot compatriots .
Piratis , let us forget the past , accept that you are not going to achieve much by a continual barrage of negative historical lessons. I can see that you are indeed a patriot and a lover of Cyprus but in order to score a goal you need team effort and team effort also includes the minority playing in defensive positions. This continual negativeness only exacerbates an already highly charged situation . Do you honestly think that the Turkish Cypriots are not concerned , as much as we are , about the future of Cyprus ? Do you believe that their love of Cyprus is less than ours ? Do you believe they want a future where violence and killings are an every day event , and that their children , grandchildren , mothers sisters and brothers are not as important to them as they are to us.I doubt it. I'm certain you , like me , want our island to enter a new phase in its turbulent and long history , an era where peace and justice for all is an automatic right for every citizen .

[Piratis]

miltiades, me before all have said that we should leave the past behind and move ahead with something new that will finally give to ALL Cypriots their human rights and democracy without racist discriminations.

Unfortunately the above doesn't fit the aims of some people like Viewpoint. For those people what matters is to blame the GCs, to excuse the illegal occupation, and to achieve legalization of partition.

You will notice that whenever I tried to say that "past is past" those people came up and said something along the lines of "GCs are the guilty ones, so now they should be forever punished with human rights violations against them".

How absolutely correct you are Viewpoint in stating the following :
" but they will not get anywhere unless they win over the TCs and provide the safe guards that will ensure that you can be trusted again. Good Luck. "

And what have the TCs done in order to win the GCs and provide the safeguards that they can be trusted again?

GCs don't trust the TCs either. Does this mean that GCs now have the right to ethnically cleanse TCs from Cyprus?

In fact RoC has done many things for TCs (e.g. free health care when non of them pays taxes). But what Viewpoint is talking about are things that would bring his pseudo state of "trnc" closer to recognition.