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[Kikapu]

I have talked to many GC's who say they had TC friends and neighbours who they got on with very well prior to 1974... as time goes on there will be less and less people who remember those friendships...

More like, before 1963, but your points are well taken.

[Piratis]

Perhaps the fate does lie in the TC's choosing to accept the cypriot government of the island..

I agree G.Man. And with this I (and I believe you) don't mean the government we have today (Papadopoulos etc) but a Cypriot government elected democratically by all Cypriots, made up by ministers from both Cypriot communities etc.

As I said in the past, "unity" can not be just a label. If TC want a true unity they have to accept that they are part of the group called Cypriots and that Cypriots as a whole are the ones who will run Cyprus (and not Greeks, Turks, British etc).

If instead of equal Cypriots we have racially discriminated and separated groups (TCs/GCs) then no matter what label you put on this (e.g. "United" Cyprus) it is not true unity and it is not the solution of the Cyprus problem.

[miltiades]

Very well expressed Piratis , and I hope our Government is as commited as we are to one Cyprus with equal rights for all citizens.

[Kikapu]

[quote="Piratis, I agree G.Man. And with this I (and I believe you) don't mean the government we have today (Papadopoulos etc) but a Cypriot government elected democratically by all Cypriots, made up by ministers from both Cypriot communities etc[/quote]

Piratis,

How do you expect the TC's with their 20% of the island to have any political influence of electing anyone in a United Cyprus, without leveling the playing field by having the 4 for 1 vote I mentioned earlier.

[Piratis]

How do you expect the TC's with their 20% of the island to have any political influence of electing anyone in a United Cyprus, without leveling the playing field by having the 4 for 1 vote I mentioned earlier.

Each TC will have the same influence as each GC without racist discriminations, just about every other democratic country in the whole world.

I can perfectly understand if you ask for guaranteed quotas and affirmative actions to make sure that TCs are not under-represented in anything. Thats perfectly acceptable. But if you ask for 4 votes for each TC then it means GCs will be under-represented and discriminated against which can not be accepted.

[Kikapu]

How do you expect the TC's with their 20% of the island to have any political influence of electing anyone in a United Cyprus, without leveling the playing field by having the 4 for 1 vote I mentioned earlier.

Each TC will have the same influence as each GC without racist discriminations, just about every other democratic country in the whole world.

I can perfectly understand if you ask for guaranteed quotas and affirmative actions to make sure that TCs are not under-represented in anything. Thats perfectly acceptable. But if you ask for 4 votes for each TC then it means GCs will be under-represented and discriminated against which can not be accepted.

Guaranteed quatas and affirmative actions are only good for having people in the work places and does nothing to who gets elected into political offices. By the way , I do not support affirmative actions, since you do not get the best qualified person for the job. You put whoever into a job, because the law tells you so. That really is discriminatory against any qualified person.

I don't see how the GC's will be under-represented by having the 4 for 1 vote as I proposed. Let say candidate X the GC's wants gets 80'000 votes and the candidate Y the TC's wants gets 20,000 votes. This will make each candidate even. Don't forget, in a united Cyprus, the politicians will be working for all the people, so if the Greek Cypriot candidate can offer more for the people than the Turkish Cypriot candidate, then you will also have TC's voting for candidate X who is GC, and guess what, each vote he receives from a TC will be worth 4 votes, where as a GC voting for candidate Y, a TC candidate will receive only 1 vote. It just gives everyone equal standing to make their vote count. I really do not see a down side to this proposition.

[andri_cy]

How do you expect the TC's with their 20% of the island to have any political influence of electing anyone in a United Cyprus, without leveling the playing field by having the 4 for 1 vote I mentioned earlier.

Each TC will have the same influence as each GC without racist discriminations, just about every other democratic country in the whole world.

I can perfectly understand if you ask for guaranteed quotas and affirmative actions to make sure that TCs are not under-represented in anything. Thats perfectly acceptable. But if you ask for 4 votes for each TC then it means GCs will be under-represented and discriminated against which can not be accepted.

Guaranteed quatas and affirmative actions are only good for having people in the work places and does nothing to who gets elected into political offices. By the way , I do not support affirmative actions, since you do not get the best qualified person for the job. You put whoever into a job, because the law tells you so. That really is discriminatory against any qualified person.

I don't see how the GC's will be under-represented by having the 4 for 1 vote as I proposed. Let say candidate X the GC's wants gets 80'000 votes and the candidate Y the TC's wants gets 20,000 votes. This will make each candidate even. Don't forget, in a united Cyprus, the politicians will be working for all the people, so if the Greek Cypriot candidate can offer more for the people than the Turkish Cypriot candidate, then you will also have TC's voting for candidate X who is GC, and guess what, each vote he receives from a TC will be worth 4 votes, where as a GC voting for candidate Y, a TC candidate will receive only 1 vote. It just gives everyone equal standing to make their vote count. I really do not see a down side to this proposition.

It shouldnt matter the origin of the person. If he is worthy of being voted he should get voted no matter what. For example if a corrupted GC and a very good TC were running for the same office, I would vote for the best one no matter if he was TC. After all they are both Cypriot, working for the Cypriot people so it shouldnt matter if they are TC or GC.

[cypezokyli]

for that to happen we first need years of constracting the cypriot identity

[andri_cy]

Well yea I am not saying it wont take a long time. But it will never happen if Turkey stays put and we allow Greece to meddle either.

[cypezokyli]

and what should happen for turkey to leave ?