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[Kikapu]

growuptcs,

All I'm saying is that Cyprus trades with Israel despite what the Israelis have done to the Paletinians and have gotten away with it. If you think that is OK because Jews have financial influence in the USA and there are no moral wrongs in it, then Turkey may try the same thing despite not having financial influence in the USA, and also get away with it. After all, Jews did not have the influence they have now back in 1948. Israel have been ignoring all the UN resolutions since day one, but the world still deal with them except for couple of Arab nations. The grown up thing to do is for Cyprus to start negotiating with Turkey on the future of Cyprus and not take a chance on losing part of Cyprus.

[andri_cy]

Kikapu does have a point.

[Piratis]

Wasn't some thing like this already done by Israel against the Palestinians back in 1948. Palestinians who were kicked out and replaced by the Jews from all around the world, not only lost their homes but land also. Doesn't Cyprus trade with Israel as does the rest of the world?. It's amazing how people ignore other peoples problems, until it happens to them. Since Israel has gotten away with it, Turkey might also.

There is one difference with Israel. The Jews were in that land first, before the Arabs. So the situation in Israel and Cyprus is not the same.

[Kikapu]

Wasn't some thing like this already done by Israel against the Palestinians back in 1948. Palestinians who were kicked out and replaced by the Jews from all around the world, not only lost their homes but land also. Doesn't Cyprus trade with Israel as does the rest of the world?. It's amazing how people ignore other peoples problems, until it happens to them. Since Israel has gotten away with it, Turkey might also.

There is one difference with Israel. The Jews were in that land first, before the Arabs. So the situation in Israel and Cyprus is not the same.

Piratis,

It appears that there were Jews, Arabs and Christians who were all there first or around the same time, then there was a long periods where no one had dominance in the region, then the Arabs had dominance, until the Jews were placed there by the British and the Americans at the expense of the Arabs, to make up the wrongs done to the Jews by the Christians from the West in WWII. How far back can one go to claim land that once belonged to them?? If there're no limits, then I can see the descendants from Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse and other native Americans claiming all of USA soon, rather than living on empty reservation land in the High Deserts of the USA. European whites did very well for themselves past several hundred years taking land all around the world and keeping it, that did not belong to them. Again, if Turkey tried to do the same in Cyprus, they would have been coming a little late to the game, since Greece had already attepted the same earlier.

[miltiades]

Kikapu , you seem to ignore the fact that the G/Cs make up 80% of the Cypriot population.
Turkey and Greece have no valid claims on Cyprus , Turkey invaded and occupied part of Cyprus. Greece did not.
Cyprus since 1960 has been an independent nation member of the United Nations and since 2004 a member of the European Union , the quicker that all Cypriots reject the "motherland shit "and accepted Cypriot identity , participated as Cypriots in international events and stopped the nonsense of TRNC that will never be recognised by the International community , the quicker we can go forward and establish peace on our Island.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu , you seem to ignore the fact that the G/Cs make up 80% of the Cypriot population.
Turkey and Greece have no valid claims on Cyprus , Turkey invaded and occupied part of Cyprus. Greece did not.
Cyprus since 1960 has been an independent nation member of the United Nations and since 2004 a member of the European Union , the quicker that all Cypriots reject the "motherland shit "and accepted Cypriot identity , participated as Cypriots in international events and stopped the nonsense of TRNC that will never be recognised by the International community , the quicker we can go forward and establish peace on our Island.

Miltiades,

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating anthing here, I'm just putting things in prospective. However, Greece did try to claim all of Cyprus at one point, and the fact that there was not a large invasion, was perhaps a mistake that they regret!!. But since when did minority stop taking land away from the majority. It all depends who has the bigger stick, doesn't it ??

[miltiades]

My goal is to see Cyprus united and free from the nationalistic constrains that have been the main contributory factors that have led to the present situation.
The entry of Cyprus into the EU will be seen in the future as Cyprus's greatest political achievement and it should be a day of celebration for all it's people . I'm certain that sooner rather than later a solution will be negotiated and above all it will be a solution that all Cypriots are happy to go along with.

[Kikapu]

My goal is to see Cyprus united and free from the nationalistic constrains that have been the main contributory factors that have led to the present situation.
The entry of Cyprus into the EU will be seen in the future as Cyprus's greatest political achievement and it should be a day of celebration for all it's people . I'm certain that sooner rather than later a solution will be negotiated and above all it will be a solution that all Cypriots are happy to go along with.

Miltiades,

I'm 100% with you in what you have said. There are ways to find solution, if there's the will. I was touched by your comments recently regarding your wife. Wishing her speedy recovery.

[miltiades]

Thanks Kikapu

[G.Man]

If there is to be a solution, it has to come from the people of cyprus and their desire to see a solution...

People in the south have seen huge increases in prices since joining the EU, but still the govt has to spend millions to maintain a protective force in case the turkish army rolls 10,000 tanks over the border..

It doesnt help that the north has allowed settling by mainland turks, as this changes the demographic of the country and creates more mistrust with the GC's, and I fear will be a barrier to an early solution..

Above all, Cyprus needs to be seen fully as an Independant Country rather than an annexe of either of the 2 larger countries... and the people as cypriots...

I have talked to many GC's who say they had TC friends and neighbours who they got on with very well prior to 1974... as time goes on there will be less and less people who remember those friendships...

Perhaps the fate does lie in the TC's choosing to accept the cypriot government of the island.. Maybe this proposal will work? but if the vote goes against, then who knows what will happen?