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Voices of Blood 2 VS Attila 74

Postby Sotos » Fri May 26, 2006 12:54 am

TWO documentaries on Cyprus will be screened at Wood Green Library this evening in a bid to publicise the crimes committed against Greek and Turkish Cypriot civilians.

The two films, ‘Attila 1974’ and ‘Voices of Blood 2: Searching for Selden’, will explore the events of 1974 and the proceeding Greek Cypriot refugee crisis, and the mass killings of Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriot nationalists.

The screenings have been arranged by Networking for Reconciliation, an organisation dedicated to the reconciliation of the two main Cypriot communities.


What is this Voices of Blood 2? Agastiniotis is creating a sequel to his block baster drama? :P Maybe the 3rd one will be called Voices of Blood: Resurrected :lol: ;)
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Postby cypezokyli » Fri May 26, 2006 1:48 am

first of all soto , it is not "VS" . the films are not aginst each other. they are compementary.

second i wouldnt make fun of this man , (or an attempt for reconsiliation )

third , the fact that NO channel showed his work , shows the level of democracy that we have in our country. imo , we should be crying not laughing.
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Postby Piratis » Fri May 26, 2006 2:02 am

the mass killings of Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriot nationalists

When I saw this I wondered why they didn't mention they equally "mass" killings of GCs by Turkish Cypriot nationalists during the same period.
(If you call mass killing the death of some 100s people during a decade, then I wonder what you call the killing of 6000 people during days as it happened by the Turkish invasion)

At first I though that this is because no film about those killings is made yet, but then I found the source of this news: http://www.londragazete.com/?newsid=8336&category=119 which is a Turkish newspaper. This explained the bias.

cypezokyli, the attempt for reconciliation is one thing, and Angastiniotis another. Do not confuse the two. His film is one sided propaganda. If he wanted to cover the pre 1974 period he should have covered all the events of that period and not to make this a totally one sided film.

His film is so one sided that it is used and published by the most nationalists Turks and TCs as an excuse for the crimes that they continue to commit against GCs. How does that help reconciliation?

A film to help reconciliation would be an objective film about all the events, all at at least about all the events of a period, without any bias.
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Postby cypezokyli » Fri May 26, 2006 9:20 am

Piratis wrote:cypezokyli, the attempt for reconciliation is one thing, and Angastiniotis another. Do not confuse the two. His film is one sided propaganda. If he wanted to cover the pre 1974 period he should have covered all the events of that period and not to make this a totally one sided film.

His film is so one sided that it is used and published by the most nationalists Turks and TCs as an excuse for the crimes that they continue to commit against GCs. How does that help reconciliation?

A film to help reconciliation would be an objective film about all the events, all at at least about all the events of a period, without any bias.


thats where you go wrong piratis.
he didnot want to make sth "objective".
the purpose was to cover that part of history that it is unknown to the gcs.
and the reason is very simple : tell me which gc film / documentary you have seen up to now , that shows the killings done from our side. ONE. JUST ONE.
i dont see anyone of you complaining when in the national memorial days they show only one side of the story.

if you believe that there was nothing missing (i.e. our killlings) from what we show on tv, i would beg you to direct me to that film. bc , from our nice channels , up to now i saw documentaries about eoka , the invasion the missing , BUT NEVER about the killings of eoka , the tc missing, our achievements in 1963/4 , 67 , etc. and i never saw anyone of you openning a thread complaining that what they show to us is one sided propaganda. and the reason ? bc we are comfortable with the part of the propaganda we learned. bc we never learned to accept our mistakes.

his film is not objective , but adds the piece that was missing from our created idea of reality. what is the point of making another film that will show the turkish attrocities , when there are already so many out there ? you should ask yourself , what part of our history IS MISSING from what the channels show and if tony, managed to reduce our ignorance on exactly the part that was missing.

if yes, then he achieved his purpose (whose purpose is not what you think it should have been)


also , when the film is shown by reconcialiation comittees , it was never shown alone. NEVER. it was showed together with another film, usually a gc one (which is also not objective) in order to come closer to the picture.

why dont you and sotos complain about the second film that will be shown : "attila 74" ???
why dont you laugh about it ?
why dont you ask if the second film covers all the events ?

let me tell you why. because the second film tells us what we want to listen. it makes us feel good about ourselves and we can continue accusing the other.

and so long our shannels do not show the other side of the story , either from angastaniotis films , or any other (if there is any ) i would never stop questioning our level of democracy.
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Postby Piratis » Fri May 26, 2006 1:30 pm

cypezokyli, you made an attempt to associate Agastiniotis film with reconciliation. I simply rejected your claims with valid arguments. If I was making a film called "The Turkish Barbarian acts in Cyprus history" would you come and claim that this is a film about reconciliation?

I am sure you would not. Therefore how Angastiniotis film can be about reconciliation??

Personally (and I believe nobody) claimed that Attila 74 is a film about reconciliation.

If they want to combine one sided films to create something comprehensive then they should also include films about the mass killings of GCs by Turkish Cypriots nationalists, the roots of the problem of separation of Cypriots, the unfair constidution that was forced on Cypriots etc

Making this combination of two films is not about reconciliation. It is selectively choosing parts of history to try to prove that the events of 1974 were excused because of some selectively chosen events that came before that.

You call that reconciliation???? It seems to me it is nothing more than another propaganda attempt.
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Postby theresa » Fri May 26, 2006 1:54 pm

They should show BOTH on local TV. I went to see voices of blood 2, and the man who made the documentary said that he would like to see a similar style documentary made by a TC journalist. Was Attila 1974 made by a TC journalist? I have to say that no mention of this documentary was made at that particular screening of Voices of blood 2 in Nicosia last year.
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Postby cypezokyli » Fri May 26, 2006 2:56 pm

Piratis wrote:cypezokyli, you made an attempt to associate Agastiniotis film with reconciliation. I simply rejected your claims with valid arguments. If I was making a film called "The Turkish Barbarian acts in Cyprus history" would you come and claim that this is a film about reconciliation?

I am sure you would not. Therefore how Angastiniotis film can be about reconciliation??


firstly you dont need to make a film about the "turkish barbarian acts in cyprus history" . you have 4000 posts already :wink:

second , did you watch the movie ? or just heart about it ?

third, it is reconciliiation preciselly bc it is a movie done by a gc , admitting our sides mistakes.

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Personally (and I believe nobody) claimed that Attila 74 is a film about reconciliation.

If they want to combine one sided films to create something comprehensive then they should also include films about the mass killings of GCs by Turkish Cypriots nationalists, the roots of the problem of separation of Cypriots, the unfair constidution that was forced on Cypriots etc



as usual we have a definition problem.

we mean two different things.


as far as i understand reconcilliation is concentrated on the human level and not on the political. its about humans that killed humans (bc some political elites told them so) and an attempt to admit and forgive each other. as a concequence , the roots of the problems, kissingers secret talks , and i dont know what else, are important for historical and political discussion but not in a reconcilliation attempt.

Making this combination of two films is not about reconciliation. It is selectively choosing parts of history to try to prove that the events of 1974 were excused because of some selectively chosen events that came before that. :shock: :shock:

You call that reconciliation???? It seems to me it is nothing more than another propaganda attempt.


it is a selective part of history that helps reconcile the people of cyprus.

as for your usual conclusions , i dont have a clue where you base them on ? suddenly there is a film about our mistakes and we need to put it another label " the trying to excuse the turkish invation film" . i bet you saw the film and especially the part where it sais : " ...as a concequence the turkish invation was justified" ...

i sometimes wonder what kind of fantacy one has to have to reach such conclusions :roll:



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They should show BOTH on local TV. I went to see voices of blood 2, and the man who made the documentary said that he would like to see a similar style documentary made by a TC journalist. Was Attila 1974 made by a TC journalist? I have to say that no mention of this documentary was made at that particular screening of Voices of blood 2 in Nicosia last year.
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No, the attila 74 is not made by a tc.

they usually show angastaniotis film and ANY OTHER gc one. which is the other one is not that important. the purpose is to show that both sides sufferred.
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Postby reportfromcyprus » Fri May 26, 2006 5:19 pm

If we look at it from the perspective of art, we have a situation in Cyprus whereby it's quite difficult to get funding and express yourself to begin with. Film artists don't yet have real cultural influence here, in my opinion. They're considered 'nice' but not essential voices.

From a media perspective, the stations here are in massive competition with each other for advertising & investments budgets, and would really risk a lot by showing such controversial subject matter.

If artists are the soul of a nation, then perhaps we're not ready to do any real soul searching yet.
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Postby Piratis » Sat May 27, 2006 12:39 am

firstly you dont need to make a film about the "turkish barbarian acts in cyprus history" . you have 4000 posts already


So it would be useless you mean? Then why you didn't call useless the Angasiniotis film? Or maybe there are not enough posts, websites and Turkish made films about those events already?

second , did you watch the movie ? or just heart about it ?


I know the events that are described in the movie, and as you admitted it is one sided. I personally do not bother with one sided movies (and no, I didn't want Atilla 74 either for the same reason)

third, it is reconciliiation preciselly bc it is a movie done by a gc , admitting our sides mistakes.


How can one sided film be about reconciliation? Not only this film didn't help in that direction, but in the exact opposite since it used by the Turkish and TC extremists as a propaganda material.


as far as i understand reconcilliation is concentrated on the human level and not on the political. its about humans that killed humans (bc some political elites told them so) and an attempt to admit and forgive each other. as a concequence , the roots of the problems, kissingers secret talks , and i dont know what else, are important for historical and political discussion but not in a reconcilliation attempt.


So the people that TMT killed are not people? Those that the Ottomans killed are not people?

as for your usual conclusions , i dont have a clue where you base them on ? suddenly there is a film about our mistakes and we need to put it another label " the trying to excuse the turkish invation film" . i bet you saw the film and especially the part where it sais : " ...as a concequence the turkish invation was justified" ...

i sometimes wonder what kind of fantacy one has to have to reach such conclusions


Fantasy? So you are telling me that you have never seen the 90% of TCs that use those events as an excuse for the occupation of Cyprus? Are you blind my friend?

This film is nothing more than a tool for their propaganda. How else can such one sided film be useful? So GCs (those that don't know) will learn about the suffering of TCs and stop demanding a solution that will violate the human and democratic rights of TCs? But wait! GCs do not demand any such things anyways!

So the question is: Why Angastiniotis made this film a one sided propaganda film? Why he didn't also include the GC suffering of that same period? Why he didn't make a film that describes the suffering of both sides, which is the only kind of film that does not exist?

Check the following site to find out how the following film is used. Reconicilation or Propaganda? You tell me.

http://www.atcanews.org/index.php?optio ... &Itemid=47
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Postby Sotos » Sat May 27, 2006 2:52 am

cypezokyli wrote:first of all soto , it is not "VS" . the films are not aginst each other. they are compementary.

second i wouldnt make fun of this man , (or an attempt for reconsiliation )

third , the fact that NO channel showed his work , shows the level of democracy that we have in our country. imo , we should be crying not laughing.


I know it is not VS. I was joking about this. ;) Channels show what people want to see so they will get advertising money. We have capitalist democracy and thats how it works. Maybe next elections you should vote for AKEL too. If AKEL gets more than 50% of votes then this capitalist democracy could change ;)
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