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[cypezokyli]

firstly you dont need to make a film about the "turkish barbarian acts in cyprus history" . you have 4000 posts already

So it would be useless you mean? Then why you didn't call useless the Angasiniotis film? Or maybe there are not enough posts, websites and Turkish made films about those events already?

second , did you watch the movie ? or just heart about it ?

I know the events that are described in the movie, and as you admitted it is one sided. I personally do not bother with one sided movies (and no, I didn't want Atilla 74 either for the same reason)

third, it is reconciliiation preciselly bc it is a movie done by a gc , admitting our sides mistakes.

How can one sided film be about reconciliation? Not only this film didn't help in that direction, but in the exact opposite since it used by the Turkish and TC extremists as a propaganda material.

as far as i understand reconcilliation is concentrated on the human level and not on the political. its about humans that killed humans (bc some political elites told them so) and an attempt to admit and forgive each other. as a concequence , the roots of the problems, kissingers secret talks , and i dont know what else, are important for historical and political discussion but not in a reconcilliation attempt.

So the people that TMT killed are not people? Those that the Ottomans killed are not people?

as for your usual conclusions , i dont have a clue where you base them on ? suddenly there is a film about our mistakes and we need to put it another label " the trying to excuse the turkish invation film" . i bet you saw the film and especially the part where it sais : " ...as a concequence the turkish invation was justified" ...

i sometimes wonder what kind of fantacy one has to have to reach such conclusions

Fantasy? So you are telling me that you have never seen the 90% of TCs that use those events as an excuse for the occupation of Cyprus? Are you blind my friend?

This film is nothing more than a tool for their propaganda. How else can such one sided film be useful? So GCs (those that don't know) will learn about the suffering of TCs and stop demanding a solution that will violate the human and democratic rights of TCs? But wait! GCs do not demand any such things anyways!

So the question is: Why Angastiniotis made this film a one sided propaganda film? Why he didn't also include the GC suffering of that same period? Why he didn't make a film that describes the suffering of both sides, which is the only kind of film that does not exist?

Check the following site to find out how the following film is used. Reconicilation or Propaganda? You tell me.

http://www.atcanews.org/index.php?optio ... &Itemid=47

in short : those who can do , those who cant , critisize.
those who want do , those who dont want will find thousand of excuses.
you are not really interested in reconcilliation bc you are convinced that our fault is 5%.

as for his film being used by tc. so what ? sener levents writings have been used by our side , also from koutsou. i never saw anyone complaining when levent was accusing denktash. i didnot see anyone having a problem that even the extreme right is using his arguments. on the other hand we are all happy when a tc admits his sides fault. hypocricy at its best.....

[cypezokyli]

first of all soto , it is not "VS" . the films are not aginst each other. they are compementary.

second i wouldnt make fun of this man , (or an attempt for reconsiliation )

third , the fact that NO channel showed his work , shows the level of democracy that we have in our country. imo , we should be crying not laughing.

I know it is not VS. I was joking about this. Channels show what people want to see so they will get advertising money. We have capitalist democracy and thats how it works. Maybe next elections you should vote for AKEL too. If AKEL gets more than 50% of votes then this capitalist democracy could change

i didnt see akel supporting this film either
what would be the opposite of a capitalist democracy ?
akel has never been a "left" party, and the sooner you realise it the better.
btw, rumous has it , that akel is about to have its own tv station. another "left" company is about to enter the capitalist market.

[Piratis]

in short : those who can do , those who cant , critisize.
those who want do , those who dont want will find thousand of excuses.
you are not really interested in reconcilliation bc you are convinced that our fault is 5%.

And according to you how much is it? When I said about the 5% I also mentioned the reasons for this 5% which took into consideration all events including the ones that Angastiniotis describes in his film. Can you claim that the fault of GCs is much more than that without selectively choosing small parts of history and forgetting all the other parts, as the ones who blame GCs usually do?

as for his film being used by tc. so what ? sener levents writings have been used by our side , also from koutsou. i never saw anyone complaining when levent was accusing denktash. i didnot see anyone having a problem that even the extreme right is using his arguments. on the other hand we are all happy when a tc admits his sides fault. hypocricy at its best.....

Levent is not one sided my friend. Did you miss Levents criticisms on our site or what?
I never said that the crimes against TCs should not be included in films about the Cyprus problem. My problem is that Angastiniotis is ONE SIDED. Something that so one sided can be nothing more than propaganda and in fact it is used in that way.
The hypocrisy is that the one sided GC films were not about reconciliation and now another one sided film is because it suits some people in ATCA that can use it for their propaganda.

I asked you before and you didn't answer: Why Angastiniotis didn't make the only kind of film that doesn't already exist, the one that will describe the suffering of BOTH sides and he instead choose to make just another one sided (and therefore propaganda) Turkish film?

[Piratis]

i didnt see akel supporting this film either
what would be the opposite of a capitalist democracy ?
akel has never been a "left" party, and the sooner you realise it the better.
btw, rumous has it , that akel is about to have its own tv station. another "left" company is about to enter the capitalist market.

Capitalism has won. I thought you supported Capitalism cypezokyli, isn't it? Didn't you say that you and your family are DISY supporters?

In Cyprus we have democracy and as Sotos said a capitalist one with private for profit channels. (even CyBC should be able to survive just by sellings ads) Maybe you would prefer some other system that you would dictate channels to show what you want? (e.g. Dictatorship with you as the dictator?).

[cypezokyli]

Didn't you say that you and your family are DISY supporters?

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i am quite sure that i never said that. especially for what my family votes / voted i am positive that i have not written not a single line.

[cypezokyli]

in short : those who can do , those who cant , critisize.
those who want do , those who dont want will find thousand of excuses.
you are not really interested in reconcilliation bc you are convinced that our fault is 5%.

And according to you how much is it? When I said about the 5% I also mentioned the reasons for this 5% which took into consideration all events including the ones that Angastiniotis describes in his film. Can you claim that the fault of GCs is much more than that without selectively choosing small parts of history and forgetting all the other parts, as the ones who blame GCs usually do?

i am not playing with % bc i consider that rediculous.
my opinions is formed from what i read...
for example a very interesting read is from a book from a greek proffesor : mihalis eiraklidis "kypriako , sygrousi kai epilysi" . very interesting read indeed...on the other hand, if one wants nothing to challange his myth is absolutely not suggested.

as for his film being used by tc. so what ? sener levents writings have been used by our side , also from koutsou. i never saw anyone complaining when levent was accusing denktash. i didnot see anyone having a problem that even the extreme right is using his arguments. on the other hand we are all happy when a tc admits his sides fault. hypocricy at its best.....

Levent is not one sided my friend. Did you miss Levents criticisms on our site or what?
I never said that the crimes against TCs should not be included in films about the Cyprus problem. My problem is that Angastiniotis is ONE SIDED. Something that so one sided can be nothing more than propaganda and in fact it is used in that way.
The hypocrisy is that the one sided GC films were not about reconciliation and now another one sided film is because it suits some people in ATCA that can use it for their propaganda.

I asked you before and you didn't answer: Why Angastiniotis didn't make the only kind of film that doesn't already exist, the one that will describe the suffering of BOTH sides and he instead choose to make just another one sided (and therefore propaganda) Turkish film?

the film was directed at the gc public. therefore there was no need for angastaniotis to repeat what the gcs already know through their media, educaiton, politicians etc.

moreover which documentary did you see that covers the whole history of any event ?
when you watch a documentary with title "the british intelligence in the second world war" , it is propaanda bc it doesnot refer to the nazi or the soviet intelligence ? a documentary has specific target and so does propaganda.
if you are really interested in propaganda i would suggest to you the following documentary.
http://www.makarios.ws/cgibin/hweb?-A=980&-V=perireousa
and tell me if BOTH sides of the story were there.
but that -as usual- doesnot disturb us. it suits us just fine.
hypocricy at its very best

Capitalism has won. I thought you supported Capitalism cypezokyli, isn't it? Didn't you say that you and your family are DISY supporters?

In Cyprus we have democracy and as Sotos said a capitalist one with private for profit channels. (even CyBC should be able to survive just by sellings ads) Maybe you would prefer some other system that you would dictate channels to show what you want? (e.g. Dictatorship with you as the dictator?).

and then you talk about propaganda!!!
sotos said :

We have capitalist democracy and thats how it works. Maybe next elections you should vote for AKEL too. If AKEL gets more than 50% of votes then this capitalist democracy could change

and i asked what changes he wanted
you - carrying the same ethos as the politicians on the above documentary i posted - come along and say :

Maybe you would prefer some other system that you would dictate channels to show what you want?

good student indeed .


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btw i never voted for dysi. (nor my family)
your fantacy goes wild again.
you should do sth about it.
i challange you to find where i said that.

[Piratis]

i am not playing with % bc i consider that rediculous.
my opinions is formed from what i read...
for example a very interesting read is from a book from a greek proffesor : mihalis eiraklidis "kypriako , sygrousi kai epilysi" . very interesting read indeed...on the other hand, if one wants nothing to challange his myth is absolutely not suggested.

I don't see you accepting anything that challenges your myths. Saying an exact % is of course not possible and any % given is of course approximate. I do that because I want to be as specific as possible, in contrast with you that you always remain totally vague.

the film was directed at the gc public. therefore there was no need for angastaniotis to repeat what the gcs already know through their media, educaiton, politicians etc.

In the same logic we can say that Attila 74 was directed to the TC public. Why you didn't call that a reconciliation film?
Come on cypezokyli, trying to argue that a one sided propaganda film can be anything more than propaganda is ridiculous.

moreover which documentary did you see that covers the whole history of any event ?

Have you seen any WWII documentary that would talk about the casualties of the Germans without also mentioning the casualties that the Nazis caused to others? If a film existed that tried to portrait the germans as the victims and all the rest as the aggressors, then yes it would be a propaganda film.

you - carrying the same ethos as the politicians on the above documentary i posted - come along and say :
Quote:

Maybe you would prefer some other system that you would dictate channels to show what you want?


good student indeed

So do you want to dictate to channels what films to show or not? Whats your answer in this?
If you don't like what they show then get a satellite and watch BBC or find a way to get Bayrak which I am sure would not miss a chance to show Angastiniotis propaganda film.

[Piratis]

i am quite sure that i never said that. especially for what my family votes / voted i am positive that i have not written not a single line.

Sorry if I got the wrong impression. Probably it is your support to DISY and Anastasiades that gave this to me. In any case I said this to show to you that you support a capitalist party and therefore you can not complain about the negative aspects of capitalism, or I am wrong again and you in fact support AKEL or EDEK?

[cypezokyli]

http://www.politis-news.com/cgibin/hweb ... columns&-p
interesting article from sener levent.
i am quite sure you can also find it in africa today

[michalis5354]

Γίνεται αντιληπτό ότι οι κυβερνήσεις στο νότο κατέβαλαν μεγάλη προσπάθεια για να μη μάθει η κοινωνία τις γεμάτες ντροπή πραγματικότητες στην Κύπρο που θα μπορούσαν να θεωρηθούν θλιβερές για τους Ελληνοκύπριους. Έκτισαν μιαν απίστευτη μηχανή προπαγάνδας. Εκπλήττομαι πραγματικά πώς το κατάφεραν αυτό σε ένα τόσο μικρό νησί