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[garbitsch]

I agree bro. Once you are admitted to that union, then everything you do are regarded as democracy and human rights. What matters is the actions of the poor little immature Turkish state

[Piratis]

Ok, I guess garbitsch is asking from us to remind him a bit of history. And then when we do, they will call us racists again!!

I mean, come on. Do you really compare the level of human rights in Turkey, with that in Greece or Italy??

[garbitsch]

Piratis, I am not comparing the human rights. I am mentioning the double standards!!! Can't you see these??? When you ignore the violations in EU countries but overexaggerate the ones in Turkey make you racist! I acknowledged the violations on behalf on Turkey, please UNDERSTAND ME!!!!!!! I am expecting you to say "ok we do some violations, but they don't have much echo in contrast to Turkey"!!

[Piratis]

I am expecting you to say "ok we do some violations, but they don't have much echo in contrast to Turkey"!!

So you think is matter of "echo"? Do you seriously believe that?
Do you think for example that Greece or Italy have their prisons full with political prisoners, that they keep 100s of thousands of people out of their homes, that they bombed villages of their minorities etc, and simply all these things are not "echoed"?

The difference is not a matter of echo. It is a matter of magnitude. Sure, human rights violations exist in all countries. But today there is no other European country that comes even close to the amount of human rights violations committed by Turkey.

Now you can continue your search for human rights violations in Greece and other EU countries, to make yourself feel better. However this will not change the fact: Turkey today has the worst human rights record in Europe by far. (second being the UK due to their zealous support of the Iraq criminal war)

[garbitsch]

Piratis, I didnt bring the issue of human rights violations into topic. What I wrote was a response to "Realist". As I said before, I wasn't aiming at comparing the human rights violations of Turkey with of Italy or Greece. Realist said the Turkish republic misbehaves its citizens by beating the protestors. But I said the Italians simply kill the protestors. He then said the Greeks in Turkey have no human freedoms (not a single one!), and I said at least they are not Christian Turks. What I meant by "echo" was simply related to the arguements of Realist. You are just switching off the subject to other areas. Besides, Turkey has far more human rights than Belarus, Albania, Macedonia, Serbia, Ukrain and Moldova

second being the UK due to their zealous support of the Iraq criminal war

Lol! Now you are talking! ECHR should employ you. In that way, they can win time and money

[Realist]

1, Garbitsch I am not blaming you, you are an individual with an opinion. I am responding to your opinion with my own.

2, You call the women beating a "shame", you call the shooting of a protester in Italy a human rights violation. Both acts are unacceptable. If you don't agree with someone's beliefs, however deplorable they may be, there needs to be some kind of level of self control when dealing with protest.

3, The Greeks in Turkey are not free to call themselves Greek, they avoid calling themselves Turkish Christians as well due to fear of abuse. And as for the Orthodox Churches in Turkey, none have been build in the past 80 years. The churches that are present date back to the Ottoman era.

With regards to Brother's pleasant statements If RoC and Greece are EU Brats, and the EU has such a bad catalogue of Human Rights Issues. Why is the rightious Turkey so keen to join this terrible institution?LOL

[garbitsch]

3, The Greeks in Turkey are not free to call themselves Greek, they avoid calling themselves Turkish Christians as well due to fear of abuse. And as for the Orthodox Churches in Turkey, none have been build in the past 80 years. The churches that are present date back to the Ottoman era.

Show me a case in which a Greek cannot call himself "Greek" in Turkey. Besides, the number of Orthodox churches are quite enough for the Greek population in Turkey. At least all major cities of Turkey with apopulation of Christians have churches. The fact that the current government of Turkey is conservative, the demands for more churches might not be taken into consideration. Yet, Turkey has the worst human rights records of all times (quote Piratis) - the worst in Turkey followed by UK, so why do you bother then?

[garbitsch]

Realist, I reckon you are mentioning the distinction between "Rum" and "Yunan" in Turkey. Rum is called for the Greeks living in Turkey and in Cyprus. During the Byzantian times, the Greeks in Anatolia called themselves "Romoi" i.e "Romans", since they claimed they were the heirs to Roman Empire. The word "Rum" had derived from Romoi. Still Rum means Greek in English. Yunan is simply the citizen of Greece. Yet, we still call the Greeks in US and other parts of the world "Yunan". The Greeks in Turkey and Cyprus have no problem to be called "Rum" in Turkish.

[Piratis]

Besides, Turkey has far more human rights than Belarus, Albania, Macedonia, Serbia, Ukrain and Moldova

Even if thats the case, those countries are not EU and they didn't even apply.

The topic here is why turkey will not become an EU member any time soon. If your point is that it will become an EU member before those other countries then this might be true. (since those countries didn't even apply).

However Turkey is clearly not anywhere near the EU standards in terms of human rights. Not only the violations of human rights within Turkey are much greater than any other EU country, but turkey is the only one to violate the human rights of citizens of another EU country.

Therefore the conclusion is that Turkey has a long way to go if it wants to be part of EU. The first step is to recognize that you need to make huge changes.

Turkey needs to stop the excuses and start the actions. Otherwise she will not be ready even in 2050.

[garbitsch]

Turkey is a candidate state of European Union, which had achieved the Copenhaugen Criteria. Of course, there are abuses towards its citizens, but this takes time and there are still years on Turkey to develop in terms of human rights etc.

See! We are saying the same thing! I give up now!