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[brother]

Actually it was founded after the greece inspired coup to achieve enosis by the terrorist organisation EOKA who commited mass murders of cypriots and then the occupation by turkey in a bid to stop enosis but with plans for taksim and as such the island was divided, in the meantime it is internationally known that turkey could have annexed the island and now we would not be having this debate but instead the TRNC was formed to give the TC some identity and the opportunity to negotiate peace but with the current leader of the ROC being a former EOKA terrorist this has been made more difficult as the TC do not trust this person.

[MicAtCyp]

then why does he stop the north from prospering

Why do TCs stop themselves and the Greek Cypriot refugees from prospering? Because they want prosperity for themselves but not for the refugees?

Exactly!Because they want to have the cake and eat it too. Because they want to prosper by utilising our stolen lands and properties. And because "to say thank you to Turkey" they gave away half the land to the settlers.

However, Papadopoulos keeps insisting on what is not achievable (just like Denktash keeps insisting on not achievable, recognition) and the only outcome is going to be partition.

The only difference Metecyp is that Papadopoulos was not tested in negotiations, whereas Denktash was. And Dektash was avoiding negotiations by setting outrageous demands. Papadopoulos is not avoiding negotiations in fact he asking for them. And such negotiations are not statrting because Gul said "turkey at this stage has nothing to benefit from any negotiations".
So if and when such negotiations start, then it is the right time to judge Papadopolos. Judge him on real events. And be sure, the first ones who will judge him are not the TCs. It is the GCs.

You should start seeing things as they are. Tell me one thing that Papadopoulos did since he came to power that brought TCs and GCs closer. Can you? I don't think so.

I will tell you. He gave free medical care to all the TCs whereas most of the GCs are not allowed to have it. This costs to the state 27 million pounds a year. This is double than the American so called promised aid of 30 million dollars that they promised to "help the TC community out of isolation".

If you want another 10 things he did then I can tell you. If you want the one and only thing he will never do, I will tell you that too.

Now you tell me one thing your leaders did for us other than seeing as like tourists who visit their "old houses"

[insan]

I will tell you. He gave free medical care to all the TCs whereas most of the GCs are not allowed to have it. This costs to the state 27 million pounds a year.

Who funds this and all other services given to TCs re brother? Do you think that T-Pap loves TCs and that's why he signed the relevant bills for the sake of TCs? We all know that he has a dream...


Thanx for the UNDPs, UNICFYPs, EUs, WorldBanks and some other NGOs funds and bi-communal projects for raproachment...

Though that's the way it should be... No GCs have to pay for the services given to TCs.


What I'm trying to say that the cost of the services given to TCs hasn't been funded by RoC but organized for the sake of his secret dream...


Here's the full list of what "he did" for TCs.

http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/mfa.nsf/CQPolicyofGovernment


http://www.usaid.gov/policy/budget/cbj2 ... Cyprus.pdf

Now you tell me one thing your leaders did for us other than seeing as like tourists who visit their "old houses"

And if "our leaders" has been funded like "your leaders" most probably they would do the same things more or less for the sake of their dream...

[Piratis]

http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/mfa.nsf/CQPolicyofGovernment

This is a 2002 document.

http://www.usaid.gov/policy/budget/cbj2004/europe_eurasia/Cyprus.pdf

Summary: Grant funds are used to promote and develop bicommunal activities in a wide range of economic, social and cultural life in Cyprus. Major categories of assistance related to reconciliation include technical assistance for a wide array of sector-specific activities and implementing partners; related training and workshops; and commodities including materials, equipment, and supplies.

Can you find me where is said that UNDPs, UNICFYPs, EUs, WorldBanks etc donate 27 million pounds per year for the medical care of TCs? This documents mentions 7.5 million dollars (3 million pounds) in 2004 for Bicomunal programs.

Are you really really sure that this money don't come out of the pockets of Greek Cypriot tax payers?

[-mikkie2-]

I find it sad that the TC's seem to find it difficult to say that some of the things the government has done to help them are dismissed as propaganda or such like when they are clearly getting benefits from doing so.

Is it so hard to sometimes give some credit where credit is due?

[insan]

Cost
It is estimated that the cost of the implementation of the Set of Measures towards the Turkish Cypriots has so far reached 10 million Cyprus Pounds.

http://www.cyprusemb.se/dbase/cypemb/archive_136.asp



http://www.delcyp.cec.eu.int/en/eu_and_ ... prog_1.htm


http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/default. ... 5&heading=


http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/mfa.nsf/EUFin ... hnicalCoop

Today, the United States gives Cyprus $15 million annually. $10 million funds UNOPS, which oversees programs in the areas of health, environment, education, and agriculture. $4.35 million is spent on scholarship programs and people-to-people bi-communal programs run by the Cyprus Fulbright Commission. The remainder is allocated to the embassy's Bi-communal Support Program.

http://www.americanembassy.org.cy/cyprus.htm

[Piratis]

Insan, your links don't give the answer. A page that says that Republic of Cyprus got a loan from the EU etc have nothing to do with the matter we discuss.

Today, the United States gives Cyprus $15 million annually. $10 million funds UNOPS, which oversees programs in the areas of health, environment, education, and agriculture. $4.35 million is spent on scholarship programs and people-to-people bi-communal programs run by the Cyprus Fulbright Commission. The remainder is allocated to the embassy's Bi-communal Support Program.

$15 million was last year. As can be seen from the link you gave in your previous post this dropped to $7.5 million for 2004. Thats 3 million pounds divided in all those areas.

Since its obvious that you can not back your statement that "No GCs have to pay for the services given to TCs" it would be better to avoid it.

[insan]

Quote:
Cost
It is estimated that the cost of the implementation of the Set of Measures towards the Turkish Cypriots has so far reached 10 million Cyprus Pounds.



http://www.cyprusemb.se/dbase/cypemb/archive_136.asp

This is more than enough to refute the 27 million pounds...

[MicAtCyp]

It is amazing how easily the TCs can digest the lie that the GCs live on foreign aid.The fact is that by the time Cyprus has exceeded the limit of the under development country and got classified as a "developed coutry" there is no foreign aid at all, and if there is some that is totally insignifigant perhaps less than 1% of the national income... The RoC does not depend AT ALL on foreign aid. Stop comparing unequal situations.The income of the TCs at the north depends by 70% on the money coming from Turkey. In the free areas the situation is not at all like that! All the money comes from the taxpayers, and everytime they raise taxes we actually see the money flowing out of our pockets and going to the Government. Nothing is free in the Free areas! Even to own a dog you have to hang him a computer chip, that has all information on it and costs from 25-60 pounds. Leaving aside the costs of the medicines and vccination injections you must do on it and pass them on the chip. Next thing they will tax the air we breath.

Insan to save me some time reading all those links tell me to which date does your link refer that the total aid to the TCs reached 10 million? Because the date IS IMPORTANT. As you know the TCs actually started receiving medical care after the opening of the gates last April.

As I like to back up my views with evidence, I would like to apologise for the mistake of the amount i mentioned.No it is not 27 million it is 17 million.
Please refer to this link on 6th line it says "He mentioned that 17 million are spent for the Medical care of the TCs". The document is in Politis newspaper (in greek) but I am sure everybody can understand the numbers, and GC members of this forum can verify the truth of what I said.
http://www.politis-news.com/cgibin/hweb?-A= 499282&-V=politis&-w=17@&-P

[insan]

Adelfe Mihalis,


This one is from August 2004....

August 4, 2004 Email this Print

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Turkish Cypriot health bill at £2.5m - Figure stands at two per cent of total budget

http://www.xak.com/main/newsshow.asp?id=35367




And this one is from January 2004 which states that and additional budget of 3.6 million CYP pounds approved by the council of ministers of RoC and the embassy website of Cyprus adds "It is estimated that the cost of the implementation of the Set of Measures towards the Turkish Cypriots has so far reached 10 million Cyprus Pounds."


http://www.cyprusemb.se/dbase/cypemb/archive_136.asp


Can the amount of cost be more than what approved by the council of ministers?


Another important thing to remind you:

USAID's Cyprus Bicommunal Program is implemented through a multi-year, $60 million grant to the United Nations Development Programme. The USAID program funds discrete activities in agriculture, education (e.g. TV programs for children in both communities), participant training, civil society/ NGO strengthening, information technology, education, communication, and telecommunications. Other activities involve public infrastructure, environmental management, public health, urban renewal, and historic restoration and preservation.

http://www.usaid.gov/pubs/cbj2003/ee/cy/233-0410.html


This was just for 1999- 2003 period. For this year usaid had been reduced to 7.5 million US $. In 24 years time usaid granted a total of 300 million US $ to RoC.


In addition of usaid, EU also funded and have been funding many bi-communal raproachment projects via RoC.


And don't forget that majority of TC workers have become registered labourers and paying their taxes to government of RoC.

It is amazing how easily the TCs can digest the lie that the GCs live on foreign aid.

Did I say something like that? Please read what I've written once more re brother. It seems you easily diggested the lie that only the TCs medical care cost is 27 million CYP... ooopppss sorry 17 million ...





Regards with love brother Mihalis.