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[sadik]

The point is Greek military is doing the same. This is a game between Greek and Turkish pilots. This game is fun only with Greeks. I mean other neighbours of Turkey have no airforce of have but with so old technology and unskilled pilots. Only Greek pilots are good enough to spend time and it is the same for Greeks, only Turkish pilots are good enough to spend time. Believe me I know much more than you know. I can give you first hand information about it.

Do you mean that Greece is also violating Turkey's airspace so that they can have fun with the Turkish pilots?

I don't know if there is any truth to it, but some people are saying that the airfoces of both countries are taking the opportunity to use these dogfights to train their pilots.

[Kifeas]

The point is Greek military is doing the same. This is a game between Greek and Turkish pilots. This game is fun only with Greeks. I mean other neighbours of Turkey have no airforce of have but with so old technology and unskilled pilots. Only Greek pilots are good enough to spend time and it is the same for Greeks, only Turkish pilots are good enough to spend time. Believe me I know much more than you know. I can give you first hand information about it.

Do you mean that Greece is also violating Turkey's airspace so that they can have fun with the Turkish pilots?

I don't know if there is any truth to it, but some people are saying that the airfoces of both countries are taking the opportunity to use these dogfights to train their pilots.

The fact that the two air forces are permanently engaged in dog fights over the Aegean for many years now indeed enhances their training and udoubtly makes the two air forces probably among the top ones world wide. However, for Greece is not a mere fun or a training game at all, since it is the side that has to be on an on going, constant and exhausting state of alert, with its pilots virtually on a 1/2 minute warning limit before take off, due to the fact that it is the other side that is choosing the time, the place and the number of aircrafts with which it will carry out its "visit" in what is regarded as Greek national airspace. For the Turkish air force, it is easy to seat back and plan from hours if not days before, with how many aircrafts, from which route to fly in and at what time of the day, at every given day. That however for the other side requires a constant waiting on full alert, with almost its maximum resources, since one day Turkey will enter with 2 jets, and another day with 40 jets, at unspecified hours. This drives Greek pilots to exhaustion, and that will inevitably result to accidents in the air. I do not think that Greece reciprocates with parallel violations of the Turkish airspace, in order to cause the same on-going interception reaction alert needs for the Turkish air force. It is a very dangerous game which in my view must come to an end, and find another way to train their pilots if this is what they want.

[Kifeas]

Another problem here is the fact that in some cases the Turkish jets may choose to enter the airspace, in some others they will choose to remain outside, and in some others they will pretend they enter but then turn back, and this is always a matter of 1-2 seconds between been inside and outside the airspace. However, when the radar sees the Turkish jets flying from the direction of Turkey towards the Aegean, it is obliged to send the signal for the Greek jets to take off immediately, and by the time they approach the Turkish ones, they may as well have entered and gone out of the Greek airspace. It is like a cat and a mouse game, that is mostly done in the expense of the Greek pilot's nerves and health status.

[reeshahn]

You know nothing about being a pilot in the airforce. This is not about nationalism or something. This is only about adrenaline. These pilots do that all the time just for adrenaline and sometimes they have these kind of accidents.

The question is why the Turkish military command allows/encourages their pilots to exercise their adrenaline in Greek airspace.
If a strict command was coming from the Turkish airforce commander ordering pilots to stay out of the Greek airspace, do you think the pilots would not obey?

The point is Greek military is doing the same. This is a game between Greek and Turkish pilots. This game is fun only with Greeks. I mean other neighbours of Turkey have no airforce of have but with so old technology and unskilled pilots. Only Greek pilots are good enough to spend time and it is the same for Greeks, only Turkish pilots are good enough to spend time. Believe me I know much more than you know. I can give you first hand information about it.

Do you mean that Greece is also violating Turkey's airspace so that they can have fun with the Turkish pilots?

Exactly.

[reeshahn]

The point is Greek military is doing the same. This is a game between Greek and Turkish pilots. This game is fun only with Greeks. I mean other neighbours of Turkey have no airforce of have but with so old technology and unskilled pilots. Only Greek pilots are good enough to spend time and it is the same for Greeks, only Turkish pilots are good enough to spend time. Believe me I know much more than you know. I can give you first hand information about it.

Do you mean that Greece is also violating Turkey's airspace so that they can have fun with the Turkish pilots?

I don't know if there is any truth to it, but some people are saying that the airfoces of both countries are taking the opportunity to use these dogfights to train their pilots.

It is a truth. Both Greece and Turkey use those dogfights to train their pilots.

[NeverSayGoodbye]

This is not about miles.They were in Greek F.I.R without the permission of greek authorities.

[akiner]

This is not about miles.They were in Greek F.I.R without the permission of greek authorities.

lol, self claimed greek fır, anyway check the map at previous page

[NeverSayGoodbye]

Dude,Where's my plane?

[Kifeas]

This is not about miles.They were in Greek F.I.R without the permission of greek authorities.

lol, self claimed greek fır, anyway check the map at previous page

lol, whose F.I.R. is the area over the Greek islands and the Aegean sea then? According to I.C.A.O., the international authority responsible for this issue, it is Greece's FIR! It would have been absurd not to have been so, in an area which is full of big and small islands belonging to Greece. I cannot believe that you can make such an absurd claim! I ask you again, is it Turkey’s F.I.R.? If you say yes, then tell us based on what logic?

[akiner]

look at the map kifidis, it answers your question, as it shows accident(12miles far from that island) had happend even outside of self claimed greek fir(10miles), but in international zone...

As long as Turkey doesnt recognise self-claimed "fir" of Greece, it means nothing at all even at international area...