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[cypezokyli]

blaming it all on others , is our way of not having the guts to admit our own mistakes that were tragic , and at point suicidal.
the motive we asign to the british , i.e. spreading division to keep their bases is rediculous.
i still wait an example of a land who kicked bases out , that would have caused such a fear to the british.

remember the eloquent and charismatic a. papandreou ?
he came to power , by screaming from balconies "EOK kai NATO to idio syndikato" , "out with the bases" ... what did he do ? nothing.

and please dont change the question into sth of the kind "so where the english innocent? " bc i never said that. all i argue is that we are overstressing the factor of the ousiders by assigning them non-convincing motives.

[Piratis]

No Sir , the only motive that all super powers throughout History had was their interests

Exactly. So it really doesn't matter what we say. They would act to serve their interests anyways.

Our difference is the difference of a good slave VS a bad slave. The good slave would get beaten and would say "thanks" to his master. In the end his master might feel a bit pity for him and beat him less.
The bad slave would fight for his rights, would probably get beaten more and he might even be killed. However in the end he might manage to win his freedom.

Even if we assume that freedom can not be won anyways. Do you prefer living a life as a bad slave that keeps fighting or a good slave that is beaten, then he smiles and says "thanks"?


So I don't disagree with you that we might get a bit less beaten if we kiss their ass. But should we sacrifice our dignity to win a bit more money or land?

We never went to their countries to hurt them in any way. So we demand their respect. If they don't show it to us then we should not show any to them either.

[cypezokyli]

you are back to symbolism , and propaganda.

and you cannot give a convincing answer. why is it in the interest of britain that gcs and tcs fight each other ? especially during the cond war ?

[Piratis]

i still wait an example of a land who kicked bases out , that would have caused such a fear to the british.

Iran had kicked the Americans out, Vietnam did so as well.
Their British used to own half the world. They lost almost all. Their biggest bases are currently in Cyprus. So don't tell me that they feel so secure that they would not do anything to protect their interests.

Our mistakes were about 5% of the problem. In fact we almost never had any control. We were either always ruled by others or by the rules and orders of others.

Why they didn't allow Cypriots to democratically choose their destiny cypezokyli? Why we were not allowed even to write the constidution of our own country like every other country in the world? Who didn't allow us? Who took away our freedom?

The ones that had us as slaves and objects of their empires are still in Cyprus with their troops and not only. Cyprus has never been given its independence. Thats the truth cypezokyli.

[Piratis]

why is it in the interest of britain that gcs and tcs fight each other ? especially during the cond war ?

Because Cypriots did not like the colonialists and could side with USSR and because partition was what their best ally called Turkey wanted. What suited them best was an unofficial partition that would give to Turkey the control of 1/3rd of Cyprus and at the same time it would create an open front for Greek Cypriots with Turkey making it impossible that GCs could open a second front against the British.

[miltiades]

Piratis your analogies are less than serious. Are you suggesting that we demand respect from the most powerful nation on earth and if , and only if this superpower shows us respect then we reciprocate.Do you realise how less the insignificant we are in the eyes of the superpowers, they frankly would not give a shit if Turkey occupied all of Cyprus and then the brave slaves can grow beards , go to the mountains and proudly fight the enemy until the last drop of blood . And as we all perish , the future GREEK HISTORIANS WILL TELL OUR DESCENTANTS OF THE BRAVERY AND DIGNITY THAT WE POSSESED. (Ta kokkala ton progonon mas trizoun is tous tafous tous ) I do not bow to any one but I will sell my sole to the devil to see 40000 troops out of our land and a united Cyprus where all Cypriots will enjoy peace and tranguility , perhaps with a lesser degree of dignity.This Piratis what is known as diplomacy , the power of the mind over the bloody sword , in our case a bland one at that.
So Yes Sir , I would kiss arse to see Cyprus free of Turkish occupation troops .

[Piratis]

So Yes Sir , I would kiss arse to see Cyprus free of Turkish occupation troops .

The problem miltiades is that you would kiss their ass and they would still support Turkey because they have far more interests with them at the moment. If their interests change then they would go against Turkey regardless of how much they like us. Do you know that the Turkish citizens on average have more anti-American feelings that Cypriots? Do you know that most of the terrorists of 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia, that Bin Laden is from Saudi Arabia, and still Americans bomb others and the Saudis are their best friends?

[miltiades]

Piratis this is politics and interests. If we gave the Americans bases way way back who knows how things would be today.We have lost a 1/3 of our island and we still have not learned the meaning of power politics.
Yes , it is far more beneficial for us to be friendly than unfriendly. As far as the Iranians kicking the Americans out , a fat lot of good it did fior them. They are about to suffer a great deal as a result of the theocratic regime in power that is hell bent on destruction, and if any one thinks that the US will stand by and let a tin pot little dictator obtain nuclear power then they realy are in a fools paradise. You seem to relish the fact that you belong to the circle of American haters in this world. Take America out and we might as well take the world out.
I know where the 9/11 terrorists came from and I know where B/L came from and Im thankful that we have a superpower that takes them on. For your information it is Iragis killing Iragis right now , in Restaurants , at funerals , in job centres , at weddings and any where else that the can satisfy their craving for blood.
Same thing is starting in Palestinne amongst Palestinians. Can you please , if you know any one at the CY BC, have a word in their ear tell them its about time they stop listening to the kalamarades and refrain from calling the suicide killers in Irag as "ANTARTES "
Ps. Why are the Americans bobmbing ?

[Natty]

Hey, I really really suggest people read "From the east:Conflict and Partiton", I know I keep barkin on about it but it really does answer alot of questions, especially about the British relationship with Denktash and the TMT and the connection with the 1974 invasion!

It seems to me that there are quite a few extremest views on this forum, people who claim that everyone's been brainwashed but still make extremist and abusive comments. When I think about what the majority of the Cypriot population want both TC and GC and others, I breath a sigh of relief, they want Cyprus to be reunited! As I've said we should not be ashamed of our heritage whether it be Greek or Turkish, these two cultures have combined to make the most unique culture, the Cypriot culture, as well as other cultures. All this hate and mistrust is exactly what the outsiders want, they play us off each other to help these insecurities and extremest ideas. They try so desperatley to make it a war between greek and Turk. I've said it before, the situation in our country could have become much worse than it did, but it didn't which proves the history, that GC's and TC's can live together quite happily and in peace. Like my Dad remembers it!!

In the future, we need to establish a Cyrpus that has good relations with both Greece and Turkey, a country that embraces these two cultures but all celebrates the unique Cypriot culture!!

Again I am Greek, but above all I am A cypriot along with the Turkish Cypriots, Maronites, Latins, etc......Something that I wouldn't change for the world!!!! (",)

[Iran Forever]

Would you honestly trust Turks?