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[Alexis]

Piratis dont you accept even 10% of the basics in the Annan plan? or the fact that land would be returned or that the army would leave or that settlers had to leave?? Im not talking to time frames and amounts but the actual elements which you yourself have been chanting for?

This is true, and we (GCs) would do well to remember that there were many things in the plan which the two communities did manage to agree on. This can therefore form a 'basis' for a future plan, so long as we negotiate properly the areas on which we did not agree rather then leaving them to be 'filled in' by other parties. If we as communities identrify the points that matter most to us then we can come to some sort of agreement.

[Viewpoint]

Thats what i was hinting at, the name of the plan is not important but the contents are. So starting all over on points we have agreed would be a waste of time and effort. Lets concentrate on what you guys want to change.

[Piratis]

Piratis dont you accept even 10% of the basics in the Annan plan? or the fact that land would be returned or that the army would leave or that settlers had to leave?? Im not talking to time frames and amounts but the actual elements which you yourself have been chanting for?

Sure, some parts of the plan were OK. However if you change something by 90% then obviously the result would be nothing close to the original.

Take out the racist discriminations and separation, the undemocratic parameters, the unfair distribution of land and power, the violations of Cyprus sovereignty and independence, and voila, a good plan. But it is nothing resembling the Annan partition plan anymore.

[Viewpoint]

So if we agree on that whay arent both sides talking? Talats hand is still in the air as fair as we and the international community are concerned. Tell you leader to call his bluff, I dare you...

[bg_turk]

The only alternative to the Annan Plan is a partition cleanly cut through the middle of Cyprus, so you better pray the Annan Plan is not burried.

[Antreis]

So if we agree on that why arent both sides talking? Talats hand is still in the air as fair as we and the international community are concerned. Tell you leader to call his bluff, I dare you...

Our gravest mistake all these years after the invasion to MOHO is that we were talking to the local puppets of Angyra instead of the real desicion makers.

[michalis5354]

The framework of the A plan is there.I cant think any other solution other than the A plan being negotiated to make it acceptable to both sides!

How can anyone expect to change 90% of the A plan? Does this suggest also to eliminate even the rights that the TCs acquired in 1960 through the establishment of the ROC.

[Piratis]

Does this suggest also to eliminate even the rights that the TCs acquired in 1960 through the establishment of the ROC.

Oh, sure, how can we forget that only GCs rights that were acquired in 1960 through the establishment of the ROC can be eliminated?

The solution after all should be the GCs only giving up from what legally belongs to them and TCs only taking more. Right?

The only alternative to the Annan Plan is a partition cleanly cut through the middle of Cyprus, so you better pray the Annan Plan is not burried.

There are may alternatives. Apart from sinking Cyprus under the Med (which seems impossible at the moment) all other possibilities are open and not limited to your 2 partition preferences.

So if we agree on that whay arent both sides talking?

What you agreed? For proportinal land and power distribution, respect of the sovereignty and independence of Cyprus something else?
What exactly changed in your position since 2003?

[JustAnAmerican]

As I said in a previous post, the Annan plan is dead in name only. A few of the fundamental elements may change and the technical talks may cause this. The new plan and the speakers will NEVER refer to it as the Annan plan, but don’t be surprised if it is similar.

[Kifeas]

As I said in a previous post, the Annan plan is dead in name only. A few of the fundamental elements may change and the technical talks may cause this. The new plan and the speakers will NEVER refer to it as the Annan plan, but don’t be surprised if it is similar.

All right then! Supposedly, they start negotiating on all the parameters that the G/C side has objections with the Annan plan, but no matter what, there is no agreement between the two sides. What is going to happen in this case?