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Why didn't Greece defend Cyprus in 1974?

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Should Greece have gone to war with Turkey in 1974?

Yes
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No
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Total votes : 30

Postby andri_cy » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:17 pm

Pasha wrote:
saravakos wrote:i never heard that and no-ones ever told me that. i find that VERY hard to believe


Believe me its true. My own GREEK friends told me.

You can say what you like, but they wouldn't make something like that up.

And as for you Alexander, you are just the epitome of hate. People like you are part of the problem.



No one is saying your GREEK friends didnt tell you. But that may be in GREECE. We are in Cyprus. And I am not saying that it wasnt done in Cyprus Schools either, but to generalize it like that with no proof to offer other than someone told you is ridiculous. I went to school in Cyprus for most of my life. We were not taught to hate anyone. Actually in a lot of classes our teachers talked about in a lot of the mixed towns people were getting along marvelously. Then they talked about the coup in a very negative way and also the invasion in a very negative way. Maybe your friends DID get a lesson in hate but you should really check yourself about making it sound like we all did.
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Postby Pasha » Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:28 pm

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Pasha wrote:
saravakos wrote:i never heard that and no-ones ever told me that. i find that VERY hard to believe


Believe me its true. My own GREEK friends told me.

You can say what you like, but they wouldn't make something like that up.

And as for you Alexander, you are just the epitome of hate. People like you are part of the problem.



No one is saying your GREEK friends didnt tell you. But that may be in GREECE. We are in Cyprus. And I am not saying that it wasnt done in Cyprus Schools either, but to generalize it like that with no proof to offer other than someone told you is ridiculous. I went to school in Cyprus for most of my life. We were not taught to hate anyone. Actually in a lot of classes our teachers talked about in a lot of the mixed towns people were getting along marvelously. Then they talked about the coup in a very negative way and also the invasion in a very negative way. Maybe your friends DID get a lesson in hate but you should really check yourself about making it sound like we all did.


I dont know any mainlander Greeks, just Cypriots. But my story seems to be the norm here in N. London. Not sure if it helps but I was talking about the language schools, attended separate from everyday school.

I do apologize for making a generalised comment, I admit that I assumed it was the same in all of the schools.
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Postby miltiades » Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:16 pm

Strahd , what the hell are you talking about ? I'm proposing what ? Fascist and nationalistic tendencies ?Bullshit !
And what do you find so hard to understand about my mentality , is it perhaps that IM A CYPRIOT FIRST AND ABOVE ALL A CYPRIOT COMMITED TO REUNIFICATION OF OUR NATION VIA PEACEFUL MEANS ?
WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT FOR YOU T0 UNDERSTAND . May be I could write in Greek for you.
I KIPROS ANIKI SE OLOUS TOUS KIPRIOUS , DEN ANIKI STIN ELLADA OUTE STIN TOURKIA .
Believe me , when the majority of our people GCs and TCs feel the same way way then peace will arrive to our Cyprus, and all future Cypriot generations will thank us for it.
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Postby StuartN » Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:20 pm

I was in Ledra St (Greek Cypriot side) a few days ago and watched a troop of schoolchildren, age 5-7 (ish) being marched down the pavement by their teachers to the border at the bottom of the street.... they all went up the steps, looked over the wall (or through the holes in the barrier) and were then led back up the street by the teachers..... I can't help wondering just what they were being told ?????

(For non-CYPS, Ledra St is a main street in Nicosia / Lefkosa that is now cut in half by the Green Line -- there's a guarded 'viewing point' on the Greek Cypriot side of Ledra St)
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Postby saravakos » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:31 am

Pasha...it is not the norm what you were told. i was never taught anything like that in Greek school here and have never heard anyone say that. must be an isolated incident from 1 teacher.
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Postby Alexis » Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:26 pm

I was in Ledra St (Greek Cypriot side) a few days ago and watched a troop of schoolchildren, age 5-7 (ish) being marched down the pavement by their teachers to the border at the bottom of the street.... they all went up the steps, looked over the wall (or through the holes in the barrier) and were then led back up the street by the teachers..... I can't help wondering just what they were being told ?????


It could have been a school trip to learn about the Green Line. I'm not sure what your point is but I don't see what's wrong with school children being shown the realities of where they live. I am sure similar trips happened in Berlin during the cold war.
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Postby stuballstu » Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:58 pm

I was in Ledra St (Greek Cypriot side) a few days ago and watched a troop of schoolchildren, age 5-7 (ish) being marched down the pavement by their teachers to the border at the bottom of the street.... they all went up the steps, looked over the wall (or through the holes in the barrier) and were then led back up the street by the teachers..... I can't help wondering just what they were being told ?????


Its a shame that the children had to witness this and the wall of shame. As usual the politicians missed an opportunity to take this down and open Ledra Street late last year.

It would be interesting to know if the teacher mentioned this to the children when they looked through to "the other side". Was the opinion of the teacher to the pupils "those Turks wanted to open use a bridge at Ledra Street and we didnt want that" or was it "sometimes adults act like spoiled children to the detriment of everyone else"
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Postby andri_cy » Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:18 am

stuballstu wrote:
I was in Ledra St (Greek Cypriot side) a few days ago and watched a troop of schoolchildren, age 5-7 (ish) being marched down the pavement by their teachers to the border at the bottom of the street.... they all went up the steps, looked over the wall (or through the holes in the barrier) and were then led back up the street by the teachers..... I can't help wondering just what they were being told ?????


Its a shame that the children had to witness this and the wall of shame. As usual the politicians missed an opportunity to take this down and open Ledra Street late last year.

It would be interesting to know if the teacher mentioned this to the children when they looked through to "the other side". Was the opinion of the teacher to the pupils "those Turks wanted to open use a bridge at Ledra Street and we didnt want that" or was it "sometimes adults act like spoiled children to the detriment of everyone else"



At this point who knows. If we said anything we would be assuming and you know what assuming does ... :P
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Postby Alexis » Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:29 am

Its a shame that the children had to witness this and the wall of shame. As usual the politicians missed an opportunity to take this down and open Ledra Street late last year.


It's a shame these children had to witness such a thing at all. And do not think that it would make one bit of difference to the status quo if Ledra Street was opened up, it would still be a check-point charlie and as good a place as any to show those children the results of what nationalism and foreign intervention has done to their country.
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Postby StuartN » Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:18 pm

And if they could walk through and visit the market, the mosque and the other wonderful sights - no more wonderful than those in the South... we can but dream....

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