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Why didn't Greece defend Cyprus in 1974?

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Should Greece have gone to war with Turkey in 1974?

Yes
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No
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Total votes : 30

Postby seleucus Nicator » Sat May 20, 2006 6:51 pm

<<Simply because Turkey would have got the excuse and have taken the Agean all together in a couple of days!

Remember....when during Patakos Junta the kept finding ammunition boxes in the Greek armed forces empty and or some full of stones and rubbish

How could they assist? They were in position to assist there own territory

TO BE REALISTIC. NOTHING CHANGED TODAY EITHER. TURKEY IS TOO BIG AND TOO POWERFUL>>
My fellow Limassolean itsnt so simply the things.You have to read the book of Mehmet Ali Birand about Cyprus.
The two modern Submarines were enough to stop the landing because the confusion of turkish army were huge
they were shooting each other. Can you imagine the two modern (for this period) submarine to start sink the landing craft.Two times they took the order to go to the frontier and two times they stop them why???
Ioannidis never spoke till our days.
Turkey is too big and powerfull as long as has the Us support.
but geopolitical standards are changing the Us administration create a new huge american base in Bulgaria
also the federal state of kurdish in Iraq is very good ally of Us. With this way the value of Turkey for Us interests
is reduced.
In the future if Turkey will not change their policy and become friendly they will have huge problem internal
and with their relations with neighbours
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Postby cypezokyli » Sat May 20, 2006 7:21 pm

seleucus , could you share with us the title of the book in english.
thank you
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Postby Kifeas » Sat May 20, 2006 8:04 pm

cypezokyli wrote:seleucus , could you share with us the title of the book in english.
thank you


30 Hot days, M.A. Birand.
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Postby cypezokyli » Sat May 20, 2006 8:08 pm

thank you kifeas.
can i also find it in greek as well ?
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Postby Kifeas » Sat May 20, 2006 8:56 pm

cypezokyli wrote:thank you kifeas.
can i also find it in greek as well ?


Is called "apofasi apovasi."
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Postby akiner » Sat May 20, 2006 9:42 pm

Kifeas wrote:
cypezokyli wrote:thank you kifeas.
can i also find it in greek as well ?


Is called "apofasi apovasi."


Mehmet Ali Birand, hmm you should think twice before reading his masterpieces! or getting his works as reference

He had been used alot of times as manipulator by Usa. and lastly after TBMM refused the code which gives Us. soldiers landing/using permissions of Turkish soil on Iraq operation, we saw his face on the same screen with Richard Perl and Paul Wolt. at an interview..

One of these two guys told, in short, "Turkish army should make something to change the decision of National Assembly, it is more beneficial for Turkey"
Birand cant ask any countra-question to that stupid opinion,and by this silly tv programme all of us learned Richo and Paul knew what was beneficial to Turkey better than Turkish National Assembly :o
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Postby rolo » Mon May 22, 2006 12:24 am

back to the question


Greece could not manage a coup in tiny Cyprus, never mind an all out war with Turkey.
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Postby akiner » Mon May 22, 2006 4:50 am

rolo wrote:back to the question


Greece could not manage a coup in tiny Cyprus, never mind an all out war with Turkey.


Winds of politic area were not back of Greece at the time, she had no great powers at her side at least noone could guarantee any losing land back, unlike the era of uprisings and struggle of land taking from Ottoman Empire when she easiely saved her tail with the helps of Big Brothers even she had lost a war..
In short greece ain't got the balls to risk losing a large chunck of land as war compensation :!: :?: (don't remind me U.N, it is a toy for U.S)
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Postby seleucus Nicator » Mon May 22, 2006 11:27 pm

<<Winds of politic area were not back of Greece at the time, she had no great powers at her side at least noone could guarantee any losing land back, unlike the era of uprisings and struggle of land taking from Ottoman Empire when she easiely saved her tail with the helps of Big Brothers even she had lost a war..
In short greece ain't got the balls to risk losing a large chunck of land as war compensation (don't remind me U.N, it is a toy for U.S) >>
If Hellas wanted to risk it could do it only before the landing that could easily sink the ships and bring panic.
The landing it was just walking in the park .After was to late for anything with out international support.
That we call betrayal.
About the book of Mehmet Ali Birand describes the facts and how Turkey had in the begining the international
support (not only the Us) and after he lost it because did the same like the greek fascists.
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Postby seleucus Nicator » Mon May 22, 2006 11:58 pm

<<unlike the era of uprisings and struggle of land taking from Ottoman Empire when she easiely saved her tail with the helps of Big Brothers even she had lost a war..>>
My fellow akiner
You think that Turkey would dare intervention in Cyprus without the license of Us .
Hellas was in WW1 1st,2nd Balkan WW2 with right part (the wining part) .
"War is merely a continuation of politics,"Carl Philipp Gottfried von Clausewitz.
that means this is not enough to have good army but you must have also good alliances.
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