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Why didn't Greece defend Cyprus in 1974?

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Should Greece have gone to war with Turkey in 1974?

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No
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Postby retired2northcyprus » Thu May 18, 2006 2:52 pm

being a retired brit i can say we won 2 world wars 1 world cup threw the argies off the falklands and colonised most of the world English is the language that is spoken in most country as second to the native language.

do not mess with brits in times of stife we are slow to anger but we only win when we enter a war.
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Postby StuartN » Thu May 18, 2006 2:58 pm

Blimey retired2.... I hope you've got a virtual bombshelter somewhere!

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Postby Simon » Thu May 18, 2006 3:12 pm

So if you are a Brit (I am myself half-British) can I ask you,

1) Why do you have a Turkish flag as your avatar?
2) Do you think it is right that 200,000 people have had their homes stolen?
3) Do you think it is right that some of these houses have been sold to non-Cypriots for below their value, while the true owner was made a refugee in his own country?
4) Do you think it is right that people then advertise this stolen land and rub it in the faces of the very people that were FORCIBLY removed from their homes by the TURKISH army?
5) Have you bought stolen land? Is this the reason you are a sympathiser to Turkey's cause?
6) If yes, do you feel ashamed? Do you have any sense of justice or mercy for your fellow man?

Please do not come out with the predictable line that GCs tried to ethnically cleanse TCs etc so they deserved what they got. This is simply not fact. There was violence between GCs and TCs, this is true. But not all GCs attacked TCs as some say and there was certainly no concerted effort to wipe out TCs by all GCs. If this was the case, when the violence was at its worst in the 1950s, shouldn't the TCs numbers have been massively reduced or even wiped out by 1974? Some hundreds of TCs died in this period, as did GCs; does this sound like an effort by 82% of the population to wipe out the other 18% to you?
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Postby GreekCypriotGurl_UK » Thu May 18, 2006 3:52 pm

simon you are right not all GC's attacked Turks Cypriots where my mum lived she didnt even know any Turkish Cypriots and my dad never attacked Turks Cypriots so why where they forced out by the Turks? if the Turkish Army came to protect the Turkish Cypriots who where being killed why would the Turkish Army rape thousands of greek Cypriot women and kill thousands of innocent civilians the reality is the majority of Greek Cypriots wanted to re-unifiy with Greece in a democratic way i dont see why it was racist for the Greek Cypriots to re unite with Greek they where the majority and majority votes rule as democracy. also the Greeks had no problems with the other minoritys in Cyprus like the maronites or Armenians the reality is Turkey had planned to take Cyprus since years ago read my link below you will see the real reason why Turkey invaded Cyprus
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Postby adamgardiner » Thu May 18, 2006 4:05 pm

For Geece, a small NATO member to declare war on the second largest NATO country and by far the most powerful in the region would have been suicidal as well as an unintelligent gamble which would have cost it most of the islands in the Agean and probably large chunks of Thessalonika and Macedonia as well - and who would have come to it's aid bearing in mind thet the Greek Fascist Colonel's Junta got them into the fix in the first place? No one, thats who. The cost in instability in the region and human casualities would have been unthinkable and Cyprus would no longer exist except as a regoin of Turkey - outer Mersin perhaps.
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Postby Simon » Thu May 18, 2006 4:59 pm

[quote]would have cost it most of the islands in the Agean and probably large chunks of Thessalonika and Macedonia as well - and who would have come to it's aid bearing in mind thet the Greek Fascist Colonel's Junta got them into the fix in the first place? No one, thats who. The cost in instability in the region and human casualities would have been unthinkable and Cyprus would no longer exist except as a regoin of Turkey - outer Mersin perhaps.[/quote]


What? You mean Turkey would have used it as an excuse to steal more Greek land? Kick more people out of their homes? Surely not! :shock: :shock: :shock: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby miltiades » Thu May 18, 2006 6:38 pm

Retire to northcyprus thinks that by insulting one section of the Cypriot community , he is gaining friends .The vast majority of Cypriots want to live in peace with each other in a united Cyprus , and need comments like yours and others sharing extremist views like a hole in the head. Why cant you add your voice to that of reason and common sense and begin by realising that the Turkish flag is a foreign flag just as much as the Greek or British are. Be constructive instead of laughing at other peoples misfortunes.
Ps. Let us hope that we can win the war against terrorism , illegal immigrants , bogus asylum seekers , political correctness nonsense , and let us hope that England bring back the 1966 glory , the world cup.
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Postby Greek goddess » Thu May 18, 2006 6:57 pm

retired2northcyprus wrote:being a retired brit i can say we won 2 world wars 1 world cup threw the argies off the falklands and colonised most of the world English is the language that is spoken in most country as second to the native language.

do not mess with brits in times of stife we are slow to anger but we only win when we enter a war.


No
I am suggesting that from the way he expresses himself she got the idea that he is not relationship material.


So if you are proud so much of your heritage why the Turkish flag?
Let’s see:
Is it because you the sophisticated one can speak for the rights and wrongs because your ancestors built an empire, won the two wars (not by themselves if it wasn’t for the USA we will all speak German).

What ever your background your anger is easily explainable.
The whole 1974 fiasco was manufacture in order for the superpowers to create a bone so that Turkey and Greece will fight over it for ever.

What they fail to take into consideration especially the USA and Henry Kissinger in particular with his famous prediction “give the Greek Cypriot six months and when they will start starving, they sigh anything” is the calibre of the people you are dealing with.

So while you are stepping on stolen land there will be an issue that will never be silenced because God forbid people like you, with no respect for human rights, will get angry.
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Postby bg_turk » Thu May 18, 2006 8:11 pm

andri_cy wrote:
Strahd wrote:καλά πάω στοίχημα ότι είναι εγκλέζος κοκκινόκωλος γέρος γκέι με γκόμενο τούρκο... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

LOL

That's plain moronic. You are not only a dumb nationalist, but a homophobic idiot as well.
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Postby hasan115 » Fri May 19, 2006 12:29 am

The junta did try to defend Cyprus.. It sent envoys, but Turkey, being closer, arrived there first. Also, wasn't the war on Cyprus two-sided? It's aggravating when you accuse Turkey of invading like it was on whim. Greece overthrew the Cypriot government and broke the treaty. There were Turkish and Greek tanks going both ways. If Turkey had not invaded and reinstalled Makarios, Cyprus would be a Greek island today (i.e., your precious Cyprus wouldn't be a country) and Turkish Cypriots would not exist. The Cypriots would have slowly been washed away by motherland Greeks. Also, don't bring up illegal Anatolian settlers in response to the last sentence... There are tens of thousands of Greek settlers in the south as well.

The Greek's loss on Cyprus led to the downfall of the junta who instigated it so that's probably why it wasn't of their best interest to take on Turkey.
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