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[reportfromcyprus]

I mean that not only for enosis but for takisim (excuse any spelling mistakes) and any other movement that divides along ethnic lines.

[Alexis]

Did Enosis have anything to do with the bringing about Taksim?? If the GCs did not wrap themselves in the dream of uniting with Greece do you really feel the TCs would have persued Taksim.

Yes, but of course we don't know this for sure. All the literature says taksim was 'a response to' Enosis, but how can you prove this? What you want the GC community to believe is that as a numerical minority you would always have been comfortable living with GCs and would never have wanted your own state had the GCs not gone one step further and wanted Enosis. What if the GCs had merely wanted majority rights and Enosis was still ruled out? Would the Tcs still have held back from Taksim? Today we must negotiate along the lines that the two communities are politically equal, this I happen to agree is fair given the circumstances, but let's say back in the 60s the issue was not about Enosis but GCs having majority rights, would Taksim still have been off the table?

And finally is Enosis better than Taksim?

Enosis I would be forced to united with a country against my will like the Turks and Crete, with Taksim you are forced to live in a certain part of Cyprus.

Does that matter to whoever is being forced out of their houses? What's the difference between being forced out of your house to the same landmass as opposed to being forced out to another landmass. Remember a lot of refugees left Cyprus after Taksim. Taksim also means Cyprus becomes two separate countries so in both cases you are moving out of the country, the difference being in one case you are not being forced to move (Enosis) although the circumstances might be such that it is better to do so, whereas in the other case (Taksim) you are forced to move. Both are evil in their own way, depends on your viewpoint really doesn;t it vp?

[michalis5354]

Miltiades, we were running to hide, not the Greeks. The Junta betrayed us not our nation... we keep betraying our nation every day by denying the fact we are greek.

Keep this for yourslef and dont ask people to call themselves greek when they dont feel like!

In my passport and any other official document it does not state I am greek!And I dont want to become a slave!

[Simon]

In my passport and any other official document it does not state I am greek!And I dont want to become a slave!

Why do you need a piece of paper to tell you who you are? I wouldn't care if my passport said I was Indian, I still know what I am inside. The only reason your passport says Cypriot and not Greek is because of politics. Because the UK, US and Turkey wanted it that way, when 96% of Cypriots wanted enosis. And you are telling me they didn't feel Greek? So do you need a document resulting from foreign politics of countries to tell you who you are? For example, if Britain would have handed Cyprus to Greece after the First World War as they promised, as the majority of the population wanted and as they should have; your passport would say GREEK. But because of Britain, the slyness of the US and Kissinger; and because of Turkey's acts, it doesn't. But should this make us feel any differently? I say NO. So do you base your nationality on these things, which are largely out of the average person's everyday control, or do you base it on what you feel? If you base it on how you feel, fair enough. But think, would you feel diferently today if Cyprus was a part of Greece? It is not only because of other nations preventing it because of their own interests. Basically, I guess what I'm saying is do you base your decisions on a document, or your true inner feelings.

By the way, please do not say that you do not want to become a slave. This is pathetic. Are the people of Crete slaves, or Rhodes, Corfu, Zakynthos etc??? The only difference between Cyprus and those other islands is politics of other nations, this and nothing else stopped Cyprus becoming a part of Greece.

[Strahd]

Miltiades, we were running to hide, not the Greeks. The Junta betrayed us not our nation... we keep betraying our nation every day by denying the fact we are greek.

Keep this for yourslef and dont ask people to call themselves greek when they dont feel like!

In my passport and any other official document it does not state I am greek!And I dont want to become a slave!

Slave to who? if Cyprus was a part of Greece the prime minister even the president could have been a Cypriot, is that slavery? you would have the same power to the law and the state as every greek citzen.and your business would have a customer base of 11 million and not 50000. Are cretans slaves? are the people of rhodes slaves? are the people of corfu slaves? We enslaved ourselves to an endless game just for the ambition of one man...

A slave is one who is UNDER someone by force (or his own will). I remember 90%+ of the population of this island wanting to be part of the greater hellenic state... even AKEL was pro enosis...

But that is over now... we are an independent state and we will remain such.

It is all our fault and nobody elses...

[akiner]

Miltiades, we were running to hide, not the Greeks. The Junta betrayed us not our nation... we keep betraying our nation every day by denying the fact we are greek.

Keep this for yourslef and dont ask people to call themselves greek when they dont feel like!

In my passport and any other official document it does not state I am greek!And I dont want to become a slave!

Slave to who? if Cyprus was a part of Greece the prime minister even the president could have been a Cypriot, is that slavery? you would have the same power to the law and the state as every greek citzen.and your business would have a customer base of 11 million and not 50000. Are cretans slaves? are the people of rhodes slaves? are the people of corfu slaves? We enslaved ourselves to an endless game just for the ambition of one man...

A slave is one who is UNDER someone by force (or his own will). I remember 90%+ of the population of this island wanting to be part of the greater hellenic state... even AKEL was pro enosis...

But that is over now... we are an independent state and we will remain such.

It is all our fault and nobody elses...

Greeks and enosis as a diffusion of megola-idea, this story never ends...

[Mickleham]

The forum question is.... How can we solve it!


We should offer ideas and suggestions...........

We do not want reference of history or reminders of the past!


keep within the perimeters of the question ..pal!

[cypezokyli]

i have the feeling that some pople will never get over it.

but still it is interesting to point a couple of things.
one , argues :
simon wrote:

The only reason your passport says Cypriot and not Greek is because of politics. Because the UK, US and Turkey wanted it that way.....on these things, which are largely out of the average person's everyday control...

strahd wrote:

We enslaved ourselves to an endless game just for the ambition of one man...
It is all our fault and nobody elses...

.....
@ strahd. this "ambitions of one man" argument i heard it before. i ve heard it from a person who i am somehow related. he was given a scholarship to study by makarios, and then turned against him. in the end he managed to find himself in the famous 63-list (great person to have as a relative ah ? ). i didnot know that there are other people besides that group making such analysis on the cyppro!!!
do you know of any other group that thinks like that , and if yes would you be kind enough to inform us?

[kalahari]

in the end he managed to find himself in the famous 63-list (great person to have as a relative ah ? ).

What is this 63-list? Please educate me.

Thanks, Kal

[andri_cy]

It will be good if you explain us where you would like to lead us with the above question.

To know whether Greece has a share of responsibility or not! It is so sad to forget and to choose what we want to see!

I am not justifying Turkey , I am trying to see whether Greece is also responsible for what have happened! No reason to refer again on the invasion in 1974 and the attrocities committed!

The junta has responsibility on what happened, they betrayed the Greek Cypriots as well as the Greeks who were fighting and died together with Greek Cypriots against the Turkish during the invasion. And in general the whole of hellinism wherever it resides from their actions.

However, I want to ask you a question

What did we do with our Cypriot traitors who co operated with the Greek facists for the coup against Makarios?

Well I tell you what the Greeks did
1) People died under the junta's tanks to free the people of Greece from the regime
2) The traitors were ALL jailed and rotting in prison until they died

We just run away hiding, we only jailed sampson and then freed him and gave him a government job, we keep blame everyone else apart from our cowrdness and lack of courage...

Thats what I am saying. The Greeks fought that regime. Whate did we do?
Sampson has a government job??!