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[miltiades]

ricco , welcome to the forum. I'm certain that had you read the replies to blondies post you would have realised that almost all replies were highly critical of her views , can I suggest that you look at the replies I posted , some have been removed because of the harsh language used.
However your lengthy comments on historical interpretations are by no means of any interest to those of us who are genuine in our commitment to a united Cyprus with a Cypriot identity you view the Ottoman Empire and the land of commonly known as the cradle of democracy is totally irrelevant.
We the Cypriots Greek and Turkish Cypriots must find a common ground on which to erect a solution that will be just and long lasting but above all it must be acceptable to the vast majority of Cypriots , and the vast majority just happen to be Greek.Turkey is not welcomed in Cyprus by the large majority of the natives. Turkey must realise that it no longer has an empire , it is a nation that will benefit enormously by joining Europe . Turkey will not join Europe until a solution for Cyprus is found , not a solution forced upon the majority but a solution that both communities are comfortable with.
Now Sir , my views are well know on this forum. Im a Cypriot first and foremost . The Turkish Cypriots are my compatriots . The Turkish army and Turkey is a foreign nation just as much as Greece , Britain etc.
Lets forget the historical two sided arguments and get on with realities.
Cyprus is a nation on its own right. Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots are the owners of Cyprus.
As far the Greeks refusing permision to have a mosque build in Athens , I sometimes wonder why the Brits allowed a mosque on every corner of the UK .
Like you I consider religion , as well as extreme nationalism , to be the enemy of the people , Cyprus is a Secular society and that it must remain.
Regards

[cypezokyli]

i am also not religious.
the question about the mosque in athens is unacceptable , if one views greece alone. if we concentrate on greece it is a discrace that the greek imigrants have greek orthodox churches everywhere and they dont allow other immigrants to practise their religion in greece.

if one tries to view it from the turko-greek relations point of view then the picture becomes more clear. even though there are not so many turks in athens (most muslims are albanians) the building of the mosque is in general a demand of the turkish goverment. and we all know how things work in these stupid greek-turkish relations.

greece will not open a mosque so long turkey keeps closed a religious school in chalki that it closed years ago. it is simply called "an eye for an eye" . it could have been called a mosque for the religious school. an action of goodwill for an action of goodwill .... but for that we are going to need some more time....

[miltiades]

It goes to show how stupid both bloody countries can be with each other . Cyprus is far more advanced than either
of them , in fact I always believed that we were way head in every field .

[Strahd]

It goes to show how stupid both bloody countries can be with each other . Cyprus is far more advanced than either
of them , in fact I always believed that we were way head in every field .

Yes I was thinking the same while in the train on the way to work this morning.

[reportfromcyprus]

That convenient train between Limassol and Nicosia?

[ricco]

Thanks for welcoming miltiades. As a matter of fact with my long post I was addressing to meaningless hatred between 2 nations. I know its irrelevant when it comes to the united cyprus issue but understanding the origin of this problem would open new dimensions to divided cyprus problem.

On the other hand I don't belive that Turkey will have benefits enormously by joining Europe. Why? I'll try to explain why, although we still have an unstable economy we're the 17th biggest economy in the world, just second country after china on most growing economies list. (approx % 8-9 per year) According to IMF Turkey will be the 12th biggest economy in the next 10 years. it's a great market for both Turkish and Foreign investors.

EU supporters in Turkey think that joning the EU will come back to us as easy cash! Well, they are wrong. Even the poor economy of spain back in 1990 (the year they became a member) is now good and healty after 16 years.

They think that negotiations between EU and Turkey will last in 15 to 20 years!? Although you (Greek and Turkish Cypriots) come up with a solution about cyprus, for now, it seems impossible for Turkey to join EU beacuse of France. %75 said NO to Turkey last year.

Probably your nay-sayer prime minister and his government ( I don't know if he's gonna elected again though) planning to use EU negotiations for pressing Turkey. Turkey already declared that she won't open her ports and airpots to Cyprus before all sides agree on a solution. and believe me she won't. She simply can not. I think EU made a big mistake and accept Cyprus as a member before a decent solution.

so what will happen, yes, probably Turkey will go on negotiating and enjoy benefits of large democratic developments as well as other good things on the way(!) to EU.... until she hit the cproblem of accepting cyprus and opening her ports. Turkey has to do it this year but news from Belguim show that EU is trying to find a way to give Turkey more time.

I hate writing post this long but what I'm trying to say is Although cyprus thinks that EU negotiations is the best way to press Turkey (thats why she sits back and doing nothing about solving it. she just waits.) I can tell you it's the dead end. the address is United Nations and UN only. But have you realized that world is changing rapidly. We don't know what europeans will think about world's 12th biggest economy with it's 75 million residents (%60 below 35 years old) and ending point of all natural gas and petroleum pipelines from russia, middle east and Turk, Kazak and Muslim states of middle asia. EU seems like on the cyprus' side nowadays, but does it last forever?

[malaka]

retired2nc , your comments on Piratis were cruel , thoughless and perverted .You should have the decency to apologise , but I doubt your cabability to do such a thing.

miltiades

HE ACCUSED Turkish troops of rape I mealey asked a relevant question. I would never mock the aflicted or be cruel to the simple minded,

Piratis
so you are now saying your mother was raped every day ??

DID you witness this are are you a result of it....



An old thief tell me were do you live probably in my house along with all the settlers.

You probably wish Piratis was a result from it Hell it wouldnt surprise me if Turkey ordered the rapes for that reason.

Is that why you are asking was it you maybe that done some of the raping.

[miltiades]

ricco , if you take the GDP of Europes largest economies , Germany @ 2.00 trillion , Britain @ 1.7 trillion, France @ 1.5 trillion and Italy at 1.2 trillion US $ , it amounts to US$ 6.4 TRILLION. Now take Turkeys 0.190 and now you can see how down the league Turkey is . Just comparing to only the 4 largest economies Turkey has less than 3 % in terms of GDP ie 0.19 : 6.4 = 2.96% . Besides even Greece is only 7 places behind Turkey.
You can now get a proper picture of Turkeys position as far as the benefits it would derive from joining the EU
Im making these points in order to point out that Turkey will benefit enormously by joining Europe .
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"On the other hand I don't belive that Turkey will have benefits enormously by joining Europe. Why? I'll try to explain why, although we still have an unstable economy we're the 17th biggest economy in the world, just second country after china on most growing economies list. (approx % 8-9 per year) According to IMF Turkey will be the 12th biggest economy in the next 10 years. it's a great market for both Turkish and Foreign investors. "