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[malaka]

All I read in this forum is that GC & TC are all Cypriots but no one mentions all the settlers.


WELL ARE THEY CYPRIOTS OR NOT
IF YOU ANSWER YES PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY?

[Alexander]

I think the question is what a Yank would describe a "no brainer ". Is a chinaman a Cypriot? A black man from Bhukarno Faso a Cypriot? A Tibetan? A Mongolian? A Zanzibarian? An Andorran, a Mongolian, or somebody from the outer reaches of our Galaxy a Cypriot? I think not. So, the sooner they pack their bags and settle back where they come from, the better it is for all concerned.

[Piratis]

Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots are obviously Cypriots.

Settlers are obviously not Cypriots. If they were there would be not be called Settlers.

Turkish settlers are foreigners that are in Cyprus illegally. Foreigners can become Cypriots only if they are given the Cyprus citizenship by RoC. This has not be done for any of the illegal settlers, since unlike the rest of foreigners in Cyprus(that some of them were given the citizenship) the settlers are in Cyprus not only illegally, but also in violation of international conventions.

Turkey brought them to Cyprus by the 1000s in order to change the demographics of our island. Part of the solution requires that at least most of them are repatriated to Turkey.

[Alexis]

The issue of settlers will of course be part of the solution and is a subject for negotiation, but under conventional international norms many of the settlers that have been here for years can and should be considered Cypriots, especially those who were born here. The only thing in their way is the fact that the state which allowed them to stay was an illegal entity. That said we would be violating these people's human rights if we force them to leave on what in practical terms is a technicality. I strongly believe that the issue of settlers is a problem caused almost 100% by Turkey and the TCs so it should be considered that allowing them to stay is a fair compromise on behalf of the GC community and this should be acknowledged in negotiations, but the question I would ask is, how would we be any better than Turkey if we force these people to leave?

[malaka]

Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots are obviously Cypriots.

Settlers are obviously not Cypriots. If they were there would be not be called Settlers.

Turkish settlers are foreigners that are in Cyprus illegally. Foreigners can become Cypriots only if they are given the Cyprus citizenship by RoC. This has not be done for any of the illegal settlers, since unlike the rest of foreigners in Cyprus(that some of them were given the citizenship) the settlers are in Cyprus not only illegally, but also in violation of international conventions.

Turkey brought them to Cyprus by the 1000s in order to change the demographics of our island. Part of the solution requires that at least most of them are repatriated to Turkey.

Exactly my point and they do not want to leave or even think of leaving So why is everybody wanting negotiations to start when they cant even agree on this.

[Piratis]

A small number of settlers can stay. However those that will stay should either 1) Be given TC property or 2) Be subsidized by Turkey to buy their property at market values.

They can not be gifted private GC property or state property (which belongs to both GCs and TCs)

[cypezokyli]

i believe when you open such "theoretical debates" , you have first to give a definition on what is a cypriot.
i give some examples (it does not mean that i agree with them ) and you can give your own definition:
-someone born in cyprus
- someone born and spending his whole life in cyprus
- a holder of a RoC passport
- a person who at least one of his parents have a RoC passport
- a person whose both parents are holders of RoC passport
- a person who might have been is black born in afrika , got baptised by makarios and lives for the last 40 years in cyprus (i met such a person)
- a person who lives in cyprus for a certain number of years
- a person who feels cypriot
- a person who can understand and speak the cypriot dialect (either the gc dialect or the tc )
- a peron who can speak greek
- any other criterion you can come up with

therefore : give a definition of what a cypriot is and what criteria he has to fullfill and then u can get an answer. bc our problem is usually one of definition

(having that said , and for the sake of avoiding some clever people jumping into clever conclusion i have to state that : i believe that the settlers are part of the cyppro, and should be solved considering both its political implications and its humanitarian. but that was not the question , was it ? )

[Piratis]

A Cypriot is anybody who has the Cyprus citizenship or has a parent with the Cyprus citizenship.

Beyond that anybody who wants to become Cypriot has to meet certain criteria and pass from certain legal procedures according to Cyprus law. Even somebody who is married with Cypriot does not automatically qualify and certain procedures need to be followed.

[Viewpoint]

How many Pontian Greeks and Russians have been made "Cypriots by the "RoC"???

[Piratis]

How many Pontian Greeks and Russians have been made "Cypriots by the "RoC"???

Not many, and not more than British or citizens of other countries. Those that gained citizenship did so because they followed the legal procedures and they have respected the Cyprus laws during their stay here. Cyprus laws on this issue are more or less the same like every other country in the world.