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Postby Viewpoint » Mon May 15, 2006 3:07 pm

Due to the situation we find ourselves we to also have the right to grant citizenship, this is not a privlidge solely for GCs, you cannot monopolize everything. Whether the people who have followed our procedures will in the overall solution be granted the united Cyprus citizenship, that is another matter altogether and will be addressed if we ever agree a solution.

Will you also re-evaluate those "RoC" citizenships you granted on your own like we did on this side? Im pretty certain you will argue but we are legal and you are not...dont forget its us you have to agree a solution with and we see you as illegal. So any citeria we agree to apply to settlers should imo be applied to citizenships granted to all foreigners after 1974.
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Postby Alexis » Mon May 15, 2006 4:12 pm

Due to the situation we find ourselves we to also have the right to grant citizenship, this is not a privlidge solely for GCs, you cannot monopolize everything. Whether the people who have followed our procedures will in the overall solution be granted the united Cyprus citizenship, that is another matter altogether and will be addressed if we ever agree a solution.


Sure vp, and I agree that the only constructive way forward is to treat all settlers and new citizens in RoC in the same way. The normal route in these situations is to assess each person on their merits. Decisions have to be made as to what would automatically qualify someone for citizenship, e.g. should being born in the country do this as it does in many but certainly not all countries, should residence for a number of years also lead to automatic citizenship etc...? Beyond this, some kind of point system which takes into account the person's contribution to society could be implemented. So as in the UK, if you have been living in Cyprus and paying taxes year in year out for a number of years this would give you enough points to apply for citizenship for example. What I would say is that there is a big difference, illegalities aside, between giving citizenship to foreigners who either contribute to the economy or are genuine asylum seekers compared to granting citizenship for the sole purpose of changing a country's demographics.
Now I realise we don't know any solid figures, but I would say that the TRNC has abused it's power to grant citizenship with an aim to changing the demographics of the island to a much larger extent than the RoC has. Of course we will only know for sure once a full census is carried out.
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Postby reeshahn » Mon May 15, 2006 6:40 pm

Settlers are not Cypriot but not only settler from Turkey.
Settlers from Greece, Sri Lanka and Russia are also not Cypriot.
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Postby Piratis » Mon May 15, 2006 8:44 pm

Due to the situation we find ourselves we to also have the right to grant citizenship, this is not a privlidge solely for GCs, you cannot monopolize everything. Whether the people who have followed our procedures will in the overall solution be granted the united Cyprus citizenship, that is another matter altogether and will be addressed if we ever agree a solution.

Will you also re-evaluate those "RoC" citizenships you granted on your own like we did on this side? Im pretty certain you will argue but we are legal and you are not...dont forget its us you have to agree a solution with and we see you as illegal. So any citeria we agree to apply to settlers should imo be applied to citizenships granted to all foreigners after 1974.


It is not about GCs vs TCs here. It is about a legal state that can grand citizenships like every other legal state in the world. And there is just one legal state on this island. Your insistence on illegality and separation from RoC doesn't make your actions more legal or RoC's actions less legal.

So the only entity that can grand citizenships for Cyprus is RoC and nobody else. It is as simple as that.
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Postby Piratis » Mon May 15, 2006 8:51 pm

Settlers are not Cypriot but not only settler from Turkey.
Settlers from Greece, Sri Lanka and Russia are also not Cypriot.


Turkish settlers were brought to Cyprus illegaly by the 1000s in order to change the demographics of Cyprus.

Greeks, Sri Lankans and Russians come to Cyprus in legal ways (if not they are expelled when caught) and they are not given land stolen from Cypriots. Most of them are here only temporary (unless they are EU citizens), and the ones that will finally manage to gain citizenship are only a tiny number compared to the huge number of the Turkish settlers.
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Postby reeshahn » Mon May 15, 2006 9:25 pm

Piratis wrote:
Settlers are not Cypriot but not only settler from Turkey.
Settlers from Greece, Sri Lanka and Russia are also not Cypriot.


Turkish settlers were brought to Cyprus illegaly by the 1000s in order to change the demographics of Cyprus.

Greeks, Sri Lankans and Russians come to Cyprus in legal ways (if not they are expelled when caught) and they are not given land stolen from Cypriots. Most of them are here only temporary (unless they are EU citizens), and the ones that will finally manage to gain citizenship are only a tiny number compared to the huge number of the Turkish settlers.


And your mistake is this. You call them Turkish settlers all the time but those thosands are not Turkish. They are mostly Kurdish groups and also Lazs. You probably don't want them but believe me TCs hate them with all their hearts. They don't even speak Turkish. So please stop calling them Turkish settlers. It is better if you call them "Illegal settlers in the north".
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Postby miltiades » Mon May 15, 2006 9:33 pm

Viewpoint , Iwas not aware that the ROC, is seen , or projected by the Turkish Cypriot community / leadership as an illegal entity. Come now , we must mature and face realities not as dectated by propaganda statements that do nothing to assist Cyprus towards a just settlement . If indeed as you say the ROC is seen as an illegal regime , then the United Nations , not forgeting the EU are accesories to this illegality !!!! Im certain I have misinterpreted your post , and apologise if indeed I did.
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Postby Piratis » Mon May 15, 2006 9:40 pm

And your mistake is this. You call them Turkish settlers all the time but those thosands are not Turkish. They are mostly Kurdish groups and also Lazs. You probably don't want them but believe me TCs hate them with all their hearts. They don't even speak Turkish. So please stop calling them Turkish settlers. It is better if you call them "Illegal settlers in the north".


We don't hate them. Simply Cyprus is not their country and if they want to be here they have to follow the legal procedures. I agree that "illegal settlers" is probably more correct term than "Turkish settlers" for the reason you explained.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon May 15, 2006 9:45 pm

Piratis wrote:
Due to the situation we find ourselves we to also have the right to grant citizenship, this is not a privlidge solely for GCs, you cannot monopolize everything. Whether the people who have followed our procedures will in the overall solution be granted the united Cyprus citizenship, that is another matter altogether and will be addressed if we ever agree a solution.

Will you also re-evaluate those "RoC" citizenships you granted on your own like we did on this side? Im pretty certain you will argue but we are legal and you are not...dont forget its us you have to agree a solution with and we see you as illegal. So any citeria we agree to apply to settlers should imo be applied to citizenships granted to all foreigners after 1974.


It is not about GCs vs TCs here. It is about a legal state that can grand citizenships like every other legal state in the world. And there is just one legal state on this island. Your insistence on illegality and separation from RoC doesn't make your actions more legal or RoC's actions less legal.

So the only entity that can grand citizenships for Cyprus is RoC and nobody else. It is as simple as that.


For us the people that really count your "RoC" is defuncted illegal has it was a partnership with us and now you have no partner, there are cogs missing which are the TCs, so if at anytime you want to reunite and start a new partnership these issues will have to addressed as we did not agree to Pontians, Russians, Sri Lankens, Indians etc etc coming to live in a united Cyprus. The issue of foreigners who have been granted TRNC or "RoC" citizenship will be put on the negotiating table imo all of them should be treated the same.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon May 15, 2006 9:54 pm

miltiades wrote:Viewpoint , Iwas not aware that the ROC, is seen , or projected by the Turkish Cypriot community / leadership as an illegal entity. Come now , we must mature and face realities not as dectated by propaganda statements that do nothing to assist Cyprus towards a just settlement . If indeed as you say the ROC is seen as an illegal regime , then the United Nations , not forgeting the EU are accesories to this illegality !!!! Im certain I have misinterpreted your post , and apologise if indeed I did.


miltiades with all due respects who are the 2 most import peoples that matter in this scenario??? The TCs and GCs, you will have to come to terms with disolving the "Roc" to form a new united Cyprus with us like we will disolve the TRNC. The fact the we are unrecognized doesnt change reality which is staring you in the face. Both entities will have to go...so for us anything that does not have TCs representation is illegal.
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