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[Piratis]

Illegal Bayrak television (10.05.06) broadcast that the self-styled Foreign Minister Serdar Denktas has suggested the Czechoslovak model of separation for a solution to the Cyprus problem.
Continuing his contacts in the Slovakian capital Bratislava, Mr Denktas said the formula used to separate Slovakia and the Czech Republic which brought a peaceful end to the Czechoslovak Federation, can be used for a solution to the Cyprus problem.

The remarks by Mr Denktas came during his speech on the Cyprus problem, at an event in the Slovakian capital, Bratislava, organized by the think-tank organization, the Slovakian Union of Politics.

Expressing the hope that the drive for a peaceful solution by the Turkish Cypriot side and Turkey and their contributions to the whole peace process for Cyprus would continue; Mr Serdar Denktas alleged that the Greek Cypriot side too, should adopt a goodwill policy.

Unless the Greek Cypriot side joins in, it will be difficult to achieve progress towards a solution to the Cyprus problem he argued.

Accusing the Greek Cypriot side of hindering a bizonal bicommunal solution to the Cyprus problem based on the political equality of the two sides, Mr Denktas alleged that the Greek Cypriot Administration is still rejecting the idea of power sharing with Turkish Cypriots, just as it is fusing to respect their political equality to the Greek Cypriot side.

Alleging that President Tassos Papadopoulos has no right to represent the Turkish Cypriots he argued that the Turkish Cypriots are still being punished today by the international community, despite their overwhelming support to the peace plan drawn up by the international community itself.

As for Turkeys new Action Plan on Cyprus, Mr Denktas expressed the opinion that this plan is likely to contribute to the efforts aimed at finding a comprehensive solution to the Cyprus problem.

It is obvious what is the "final destination" that Serdar Denktas and the military ruled Turkey want for Cyprus. For them a dysfunctional, undemocratic banana Republic based on racist discrimination and separation is the ideal stepping stone that will eventually lead them to partition (only after, of course, they would drive GCs bankrupt).

With the Annan plan Turkey came as close as possible into final achieving their aim, legally and even with the consent of GCs since as I wrote in another thread:

Now coming to the Annan plan. This plan would create something that is worst than 1960 agreements, overwriting them as the what is legal, and it would even be worst than the current status.
If we singed those agreements, not only we would not be able to get something good, we would not even be able to get something "bad" (1960 agreements) and we would not be able to get the "worst" (current status). We would be stuck with the "worst than worst" and our only alternative would probably be an official partition, which at that point might seem the better choice among what is available.

Is there anybody that can not see that the only way that the Annan plan could evolve would be the "Czechoslovak model" of partition?

[cypezokyli]

i wonder , did serdar made this statement after a meeting with its brother party in the south (diko) or not ?

how did you manage to bring together , two things that have nothing to do with each other

serdar wants partition as a concequence , AP was the "worst of the worst". i think you are getting influenced by the elections campaign piratis.

and a comment on the statement of serdar : he knows that that will not happen . like father like son.

[michalis5354]

Serdar is reffering to his own version of a solution. It would have been useful though If such conferences are organised in cyprus for any local to attend and get him/herself enlightened at the intentions of each individual party. What Serdar has expressed in that conference abroad is no different to what some GC parties express in some other conferences.

This suspicion will continue for years to come If both sides do not communicate more. There is no clarity! Basically no one takes them seriously !

[michalis5354]

And regarding your conclusion Piratis , The Annan plan to have worked it needed the strong commitment and determination of both sides. Whether it would have resulted in a partition or not you dont know Piratis!

[miltiades]

I have to agree with Piratis on this one , a statement that is consistent with every single post that I made.The Annan plan would have afforded Turkey the legal right , endorsed , as Piratis correctly stated , by not only the Turkish Cypriots but the Greek Cypriots. No plan can be succesful unless it is recognised from the start that Turkey , Greece , and Britain , the three guarantors of Cyprus's independence according to Zurich agreement,
remain just that. The Annan plan was flawed in not taking into account that the vast majority of Cypriots do not accept Turkeys interpretation of the 1974 events. Endorsing the plan would have bestowed on Turkey the legal status that she has always demanded.

[cypezokyli]

could you elaborate on the above miltiades ?

[Piratis]

i wonder , did serdar made this statement after a meeting with its brother party in the south (diko) or not ?

Based on what is DIKO Serdar's brother party?

how did you manage to bring together , two things that have nothing to do with each other

serdar wants partition as a concequence , AP was the "worst of the worst". i think you are getting influenced by the elections campaign piratis.

So when the Annan plan would be the ideal stepping stone for partition you find the 2 topics irrelevant??

From the current status it is impossible to jump directly to official partition. Officially today we have one state in Cyprus, the RoC, not a Turkish Cyprus and a Greek Cyprus (=Slovakia - Czech Republic). The Annan plan was nothing more than a transitional period to official partition, and it would have created such negative conditions that even GCs would be forced to ask for partition themselves.

The Annan plan to have worked it needed the strong commitment and determination of both sides. Whether it would have resulted in a partition or not you dont know Piratis!

We already know for a fact that there is no strong commitment from the Turkish side. Even the majority of those TCs that support unification do so because they want an end to isolation and the EU membership, not because they want a united Cyprus (this can be seen from Alexandros polls http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=4860). After being forced to live in something undemocratic and dysfunctional the GCs themselves would also be fed up and want a change. Obviously the TCs will not accept a change that would limit what would by then be their legal super privileges. So what would be the only alternative?

The federation should be a real one, like they have in the USA, where all states belong to all Americans, with the only difference that TCs will happen to be the majority of one state and GCs the majority of another state. This is what we mean by BBF, not things like Annan plan which are nothing more than stepping stones for official partition.

[Piratis]

By the way, before the referendum I followed some discussions in Greek channels. Many Greek politicians that supported "yes" were expressing their opinion more freely than those in Cyprus (since they were not afraid they would lose any votes). So many of those told us that we should have accepted the Annan plan to get that 7% of land and then if things didn't work OK to take what they called a "velvet divorce".

In Cyprus most politicians that supported "yes" were hiding this most possible outcome of voting "yes". However Anastasiades at some point had said that the "Greek Cypriot State" should adopt as a state flag the flag of Greece. That was a hint many missed.

[sadik]

Illegal Bayrak television (10.05.06) broadcast that the self-styled Foreign Minister Serdar Denktas has suggested the Czechoslovak model of separation for a solution to the Cyprus problem.
Continuing his contacts in the Slovakian capital Bratislava, Mr Denktas said the formula used to separate Slovakia and the Czech Republic which brought a peaceful end to the Czechoslovak Federation, can be used for a solution to the Cyprus problem.

The remarks by Mr Denktas came during his speech on the Cyprus problem, at an event in the Slovakian capital, Bratislava, organized by the think-tank organization, the Slovakian Union of Politics.

Expressing the hope that the drive for a peaceful solution by the Turkish Cypriot side and Turkey and their contributions to the whole peace process for Cyprus would continue; Mr Serdar Denktas alleged that the Greek Cypriot side too, should adopt a goodwill policy.

Unless the Greek Cypriot side joins in, it will be difficult to achieve progress towards a solution to the Cyprus problem he argued.

Accusing the Greek Cypriot side of hindering a bizonal bicommunal solution to the Cyprus problem based on the political equality of the two sides, Mr Denktas alleged that the Greek Cypriot Administration is still rejecting the idea of power sharing with Turkish Cypriots, just as it is fusing to respect their political equality to the Greek Cypriot side.

Alleging that President Tassos Papadopoulos has no right to represent the Turkish Cypriots he argued that the Turkish Cypriots are still being punished today by the international community, despite their overwhelming support to the peace plan drawn up by the international community itself.

As for Turkeys new Action Plan on Cyprus, Mr Denktas expressed the opinion that this plan is likely to contribute to the efforts aimed at finding a comprehensive solution to the Cyprus problem.

It is obvious what is the "final destination" that Serdar Denktas and the military ruled Turkey want for Cyprus. For them a dysfunctional, undemocratic banana Republic based on racist discrimination and separation is the ideal stepping stone that will eventually lead them to partition (only after, of course, they would drive GCs bankrupt).

With the Annan plan Turkey came as close as possible into final achieving their aim, legally and even with the consent of GCs since as I wrote in another thread:

Now coming to the Annan plan. This plan would create something that is worst than 1960 agreements, overwriting them as the what is legal, and it would even be worst than the current status.
If we singed those agreements, not only we would not be able to get something good, we would not even be able to get something "bad" (1960 agreements) and we would not be able to get the "worst" (current status). We would be stuck with the "worst than worst" and our only alternative would probably be an official partition, which at that point might seem the better choice among what is available.

Is there anybody that can not see that the only way that the Annan plan could evolve would be the "Czechoslovak model" of partition?

Serdar is currently getting about 10% of the votes. He usually is the only one making these kinds of comments. His vision is not shared by many. Turkish Cypriots in general view a federation as the final destination, not as a stepping stone.

[Piratis]

Serdar is currently getting about 10% of the votes. He usually is the only one making these kinds of comments. His vision is not shared by many. Turkish Cypriots in general view a federation as the final destination, not as a stepping stone.

Unfortunately Denctash views are shared by UBP. The 2 parties together have more than 35%.

However what is the most important is that this view is apparently the view shared by the military regime in Turkey. This is why "solutions" such as the Annan plan are designed to lead to official partition. The Turkish military regime (which also controls the TC leadership) does not allow for any plan that could lead to a truly united Cyprus.

And a question:

When you say "Turkish Cypriots in general view a federation as the final destination", do they realize what federation means? Or they think that federation is something like what the Annan plan proposed, which has nothing to do with a true federation?

Would TCs, for example, accept a USA kind of federation in Cyprus, were they would have control of one of the 2 states since they would be the majority, but in the country as a whole they would have the power that proportionately belongs to them and not the 50%?

Personally I am still not convinced that TCs would accept a federation as it exists in other federal countries (USA, Russia etc - Switzerland is a confederation) but they have been made to believe that federation is just a loose association of two separate states. (something like the relationship between EU countries).