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[Kifeas]

Kifeas,
Your arragonce is only exceeded by your verbosity and I find your patronising reply a little offence but never mind we in the TC community are quite used to being treated in this way by our superior compatriots are we not?

You got a reply in the style which you personally asked for, based on the attitude which you yourself alone have displayed in your previous posts. I feel you shouldn’t complain since your past comments have shown precisely what you have accused me for, right above. I never adjust the style and manner of my posts based on whether the person I am addressing is a G/C or a T/C, but based on how the particular person behaves as an individual. You will find that I reply to both G/Cs and T/Cs in aggressive ways should they imo deserve it, in the same way that you will also find that I treat with the same respectful manner other T/Cs and G/Cs alike, simply because imo they deserve to be respected as individual posters.

You are quite wrong in your assumption that I get my information from TC/Turkish sources its actually from English language sources-Cyprus mail, Cyprus weekly and internet forums such as these. I would read the Greek press if I could but they dont seem to feel the need to offer English language versions of their on line versions

I am no longer surprised that you have accumulated such distorted opinions and views, now that you revealed you rely and depend on Cyprus Mail for your information. Unfortunately you have just proven what I have always been arguing regarding the damage that this newspaper does to the G/C side. I suggest you discard this newspaper as a source of your daily information on political matters, as it is regarded by many to be a yellow paper. I definitely agree with you that we have a problem with having an objective and accurate daily newspaper in English. Cyprus Weekly is quite okay, but unfortunately it is only a weekly one.

after all if you cant speak Greek you cant really be that intelligent can you.

It is never too late to start learning another foreign language.

Let me see if I got this right. Its not really worth talking to the TC's because Turkey pulls all the strings and will make all the really important decisons anyway.

You got the first wrong! I didn’t say, nor implied that it doesn’t worth talking to the T/Cs. You are placing words in my mouth here, as I have never said such a thing. However, you got right the second part. Indeed Turkey pulls almost all the strings in the north and among the T/C leadership. Did you have a different opinion?

Are you seriously asking me to believe that the GC will not use it's EU memebership (which some EU members said at time was gained under false pretences, didnt somebody say that the GC's tricked their way into the EU?) to exert pressure on Turkey and the TC's. Please do me a favour.

Did I say or asked you to believe anything like that? I do not think so! Of course we will use the EU and every other weapon and mean in our arsenal, in the same way that your side and Turkey use their own weapons in order to put pressure on us to accept their terms. Isn’t this what your side has been doing all these years? Aren’t you use the tanks and the bayonets of 40,000 Turkish troops, and the mighty of the Turkish army, in order to hold 1/3 of our homeland and the homes and properties of 200,000 G/Cs as hostage so that you blackmail us to accept your terms of a solution? Have you forgotten what Denktash and Ecevit have been saying to us during the past 30 years?

And you seriuosly asking me to believe what Papadopoulos says about believing in a Bi-zonal, Bi-communal Federal solution. This from the old Eoka war horse who was never really that happy about the the 1960 constitution.

You are free to believe anything you want, and I have the right to tell you that you are the victim of your side’s propaganda.

Yes I know what you are going to say its all anti GC cliches and propaganda but after having been ethnically cleansed from my home as a child by the GCs in 1963 I am not that ready to entrust my safety to a GC government just yet

You have not been ethnically cleansed from anywhere! Perhaps you have been compelled to live from your place due to the unfortunate known inter-communal violence, in the same way that some G/Cs have also had to live for safety reasons, but you was always and still are free to return back to reclaim and repossess your home and property and live in them If you so wish. I have been ethnically cleansed from my home and village in the north, my properties have been usurped and sold illegally to other people, and I am not allowed to return back for the past 32 years.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas I m also interested to know what Tpapasopoulos is doing reagrding the solution! If he has a plan I dont see the reason why not to let people know what he is doing and where the country is going!

When you will decide to read more and talk less in the forum, you will also be able to find all the information you need! I have made a 10 paragraph posting right before, in this thread. How much of it have you read?

You are asking me to tell you if Papadopoulos has a plan, as if it all depends on Papadopoulos alone and only, to solve the Cyprus problem, and all it takes is just to prepare his own plan for this purpose! Like you would have done for example a plan in order to build your own house in your land! That simple!

[bg_turk]

I have been ethnically cleansed from my home and village in the north, my properties have been usurped and sold illegally to other people, and I am not allowed to return back for the past 32 years.

Are you considering applying to the property comission?

[Issy1956]

Kifeas,
So when GC's drove us out and burned our house in Kaimakli in 1963 we were not ethnically cleansed but were only the victims of unfortunate inter-communal violence but when the Turkish Army does the same thing to you (without the arson) it is something different. Its only a question of scale and semantics. Again you make assumptions-no one can claim our house -or the plot should I say as it is on the Green Line. You would probably get shot by both sides.
I have every sympathy with people who lost their homes and I have no hestitation in saying that the TC side were wrong in issuing title deeds and allowing development on GC property. It makes a solution much more difficult and I suspect that is probably why Dentash did it-to make a solution more difficult. He has always believed that GC's and TC's cant live together.