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Serdar Denktas: Federation a stepping stone for partition

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby cypezokyli » Fri May 19, 2006 6:00 pm

Strahd wrote:
sadik wrote:
Kifeas wrote:In 20 or 30 or 50 or 100 years down the road, any time we will be fully ready and fully capable and as soon as we catch Turkey to be absorbed with some other internal or external difficulty, we will cease the opportunity to solve the problem in the same way that it was created by Turkey in 1974.


Suppose this fantasy became real and you succeeded in doing this, what are you planning to do with the Turkish Cypriots?


Look at the islamic minority in Thrace and you will get the idea...


i hope that that was a joke.
do you know for how many years people had to go through a pole (mpara) to visit their village ?
do you know how many years it took greece to start making some mooves to improve the lives of those people ?
if you are planing to convince tcs like this i am afraid you are going to fail.
but i forgot , this is not about convincing , its about enforcing.
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Postby Strahd » Fri May 19, 2006 6:30 pm

cypezokyli wrote:
Strahd wrote:
sadik wrote:
Kifeas wrote:In 20 or 30 or 50 or 100 years down the road, any time we will be fully ready and fully capable and as soon as we catch Turkey to be absorbed with some other internal or external difficulty, we will cease the opportunity to solve the problem in the same way that it was created by Turkey in 1974.


Suppose this fantasy became real and you succeeded in doing this, what are you planning to do with the Turkish Cypriots?


Look at the islamic minority in Thrace and you will get the idea...


i hope that that was a joke.
do you know for how many years people had to go through a pole (mpara) to visit their village ?
do you know how many years it took greece to start making some mooves to improve the lives of those people ?
if you are planing to convince tcs like this i am afraid you are going to fail.
but i forgot , this is not about convincing , its about enforcing.


Is your story reminding you of something?
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Postby Kifeas » Fri May 19, 2006 9:07 pm

sadik wrote:
Kifeas wrote:In 20 or 30 or 50 or 100 years down the road, any time we will be fully ready and fully capable and as soon as we catch Turkey to be absorbed with some other internal or external difficulty, we will cease the opportunity to solve the problem in the same way that it was created by Turkey in 1974.


Suppose this fantasy became real and you succeeded in doing this, what are you planning to do with the Turkish Cypriots?


Hello Sadik,
First of all I do not regard it a fantasy, but a very natural consequence! It is something that if it was feasible to successfully undertake now, or 10, or 20 years ago, we would have done it without any hesitation. I do not like to hide behind my finger. Turkey declared a war on us, invaded, ethnically cleansed us from the north 1/3 of our ancestral homeland, discontinued our historical presence there and raped our dignity, stole and usurped all our properties, churches, monuments and historical landmarks there, and claims for 32 years that they no longer belong to us but to someone else. It is no secret that if we had the power to completely kick Turkey out of Cyprus by force, we would have done it any time, and naturally if the Cyprus problem is not solved peacefully and in a mutually agreeable way, and the present situation continues, or even becomes worse with a possible recognition of the north as a separate entity, we will simply wait by the corner and keep preparing until the right opportunity arises to get back our stolen homeland and history in the same way that Turkey had done it in 1974. I do not think that within the next maximum 50 years, such an opportunity will not arise.

Now, you asked me about the Turkish Cypriots. It is a difficult question to answer. I believe a lot of it depends on them as well! The T/Cs will eventually have to make their minds up and decide with whom the side they will remain. I know it is a difficult thing to do, but they will have to decide what they are mostly. Are they Cypriots first or Turks first? Are they with the side of the thief and the outlaw, or are they with the side of the one defending and /or claiming back what belongs to him (and to them also?) I believe this will be the main determining criteria. So far, they seem (at least a majority of them) to be with the side of Turkey. There are of course many T/Cs who recognize the injustice and they believe and try hard for a peaceful and mutually agreeable solution. Unfortunately they are powerless to take the fait and destiny of the whole of their community in their hands. They cannot go against the totalitarian and nationalist kemalist establishment of Turkey. We are convinced beyond the slightest doubt that Turkey came here in order to usurp the north part of our country for her own megalomaniac, nationalist and imperialist sake, and has no intention of living from here unless pushed out by force, or unless other more powerful countries and forces “convince” her to do so. As long as the fascist kemalist establishment /regime continues to rule this country, very little hope there is for a peaceful and mutually agreeable solution. Unfortunately, if things cannot change, we are obliged to keep open all options, including unfortunately the one I described above. Nevertheless, no T/C is prohibited to move south and take his place within the rest of the Cypriot society.

I hope I answered your question satisfactory, if not, please let me know!

I would like in my turn to ask, what would you do if you were in our place?
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Postby Kifeas » Fri May 19, 2006 9:28 pm

Strahd wrote:
Look at the islamic minority in Thrace and you will get the idea...


Strahd wrote:
Big guns do not make a powerful army... it is intelligence and courage in combination with ig guns and numbers. However if you see the way the Turkish army has acted in the past you will see that they lack of both. So what you do with big guns if you have no idea how and when to use them. To give you an example the attila operations are actually taught in army schools in the USA as some of the greatest strategic mistakes in history of war. If Cypriots were united there could have been a single chance that this mpoulouki of cowards could have advanced further than the keryneia beach.


Strahd, I would like to politely ask you to shut up and stop throwing nonsense and chauvinistic rubbish slogans, when others are trying to have a serious discussion!
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Postby michalis5354 » Fri May 19, 2006 9:31 pm

LOL STRAH LOL. AFTER forcing people to change their identity now you are personally attacking others WELL Done. You have improved!
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Postby michalis5354 » Fri May 19, 2006 9:36 pm

You wanted Cyprus to become a small poor island huh? this will never happen Get over it ! The sooner the better , snake!
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Postby Kifeas » Fri May 19, 2006 9:45 pm

michalis5354 wrote:LOL STRAH LOL. AFTER forcing people to change their identity now you are personally attacking others WELL Done. You have improved!



michalis5354 wrote:You wanted Cyprus to become a small poor island huh? this will never happen Get over it ! The sooner the better , snake!


Are you talking to someone, or you are simply debating with yourself alone?
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Postby michalis5354 » Fri May 19, 2006 9:55 pm

This man after forcing people to change their identity because he wants to, now he comes and attacks everyone without any reason !
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Postby Kifeas » Fri May 19, 2006 10:01 pm

michalis5354 wrote:This man after forcing people to change their identity because he wants to, now he comes and attacks everyone without any reason !


Which man? Are you afraid to call his name?
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Postby Issy1956 » Fri May 19, 2006 10:44 pm

Just an American- I agree completely with your analysis. I would only add that for years it was the intransigence of the TC side with Dentash senior being the barrier to a settlement that held us back. Now that there has been a change in the TC leadership it is the GC side that is holding out in the hope of usimg EU membership to beat the TC's and Turkey into submission.There was a recent publication by the Centre of Conflict Studies (or something like that ) that spelled it all out beautifuly. I am afraid we heading for a head on collision and ulitmately partition.
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