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[miltiades]

I think we are all agreed on a united Cyprus with Turkish and Greek Cypriots living in peace with each other.
On this we all agree Im cerain. How to get there ? This is the hardest part , off to work now so will back on this.

[cypezokyli]

imo , the above statement is very nice , but it is too general. almost every solution would be classified under this classification.

[Oneness]

I might be wrong but just because the Cyprus Mail may not be aligned with some the Cyprus Republic position, why must that necessarily mean that it is aligned with US / UK foreign policy??? For example, I read an article in the Cyprus Mail only last week pointing out double standards in the treatment of US / UK towards Turkey and the Republic of Cyprus ; it compared tolerance of Turkey's vast military presence in Cyprus which it pointed out is said to be supported by the US to a situation in which the British government confiscates defective parts for milirtary helicopters owned by the Cyprus Republic on the grounds that it "violates" the 1960 agreement - which in essence is meant to protect Cyprus not to leave her vulnerable - such as when Britain failed in its "guarrantor" role defined in the same agreement.

[miltiades]

Piratis , for as long we constantly project our position as A. The majority and B how long we the Greeks have been in Cyprus and C the injustices commited by Turkey no solution of any substance will be found and the partition of Cyprus will become a permanent one. I blame the intransigence of Turkey as well as our own position of not making our bloody mind as to whether we are going to grow up and accept the inevitable situation we now have and most likely will have for generations to come. Can we stto banging the drum, can we stop blaming the US , Britain or the Cyprus mail . Do we want peace in Cyprus ? We wont get it until we stop this nonsense of We are 82% they are 18%. We are all bloody Cypriots all tavli players , halloumi and souvla eaters .This island ,all of this Island belongs to all Cypriots not most of it to us and only some to them. Im a proud Cypriot first and then a Greek . If anyone can tell us how on earth we can get the Turkish army out of of Cyprus , and with whose army , since we are Anerican haters , then I will listen .Im sick to the bone with attacks by individuals on anyone or any publication that does not 100% support us. The press does its job of pressenting facts as they see them , both the CM and Ph/os. Let us stop hating the USA , in fact lets make friends , if its not too late ,and stop this bullshit
about what America did in Vietnam , Iraq , Afganistan .We are too bloody small and INSIGNIFICANT for the US to take any notice .Lets have a political party in Cyprus embracing not the 82% or the 18% but all Cypriots .Are we projecting this message across to the other side ? A resounding NO more likely.
Please note in the 55 -59 EOKA liberation struggle I, along with thousands of kids my age enlisted in ANE and took the oath-- PLEASE NOTE WE WERE NOT ASKED TO BECOME SUICIDE BOMBERS. The EOKA struggle was an honourable liberation struggle , I dont hate the Brits that I hurled rocks at .Most Cypriots in fact love the Brits , 250000 of us live and work in the UK .
As for having a go at Stewart because he will not come out and express his horror at the Turks , and full support for the Greeks , come on , the man lives in Cyprus why on earth should he express anti- Turkish or pro-Greek sentiments. Besides the Turkish Cypriots are gaining on the proganda machine with people like GCG providing them with astonishingly high levels of ammunition. Poor person doesnt wish to realize how irresponsible her constant barrage of hatred is.

[Piratis]

Miltiades, what I always say is that Cypriots should not be spli on their based on their race and shouold all be equal citizens of one united Cyprus.

The ones that want this 18%-82% racist separation of people are others, not me. However if the insist on this separation, then at least they should not demand that this 18% should be given 50% power and 30% land on the loss of the rest of Cypriots.

As for having a go at Stewart because he will not come out and express his horror at the Turks

I had ago at him because he supported crimes and illegalities and for no other reason. As you said there are 250.000 GCs in the UK. Aren't they and all other foreigners in the UK expected to respect the laws of UK? I am asking the same for Cyprus. Nothing more than that.

[StuartN]

The ones that want this 18%-82% racist separation of people are others, not me. However if the insist on this separation, then at least they should not demand that this 18% should be given 50% power and 30% land on the loss of the rest of Cypriots.

In a true democracy the power will be given to those who earn it - regardless of race, sex, etc... percentages don't come into it.

Perhaps what you're thinking of isn't a true democracy?

Land however is a more tangible asset.

[Piratis]

In a true democracy the power will be given to those who earn it - regardless of race, sex, etc... percentages don't come into it.

Thats exactly what I am saying. However things such as Affirmative action exist in cases that a group of people is under-represented. I wouldn't mind if TCs who are the 18% asked for such affirmative action to guarantee that they will not be under-represented, so this is still within the democratic limits. Giving 50% to an 18% community is not.

Land however is a more tangible asset.

and land should be returned to its legal owners.

[miltiades]

Piratis , we , the UK Cypriots respect our adopted country , support our football team - unless they are playing Cyprus - and then we still say may the best team win, Cyprus of course.
a lot of us have intermarried , and those of us that have in our families English blood flowing know that this great nation shares with us the values that have made the western world the beacon of civilization .Piratis , I know the English more than the English know them selves. I grew up in this country , please believe me the vast majoriry , including Stewart are very tolerant and objective with their views , often misunderstood as this that and the other, but generally a very sensible fair minded race of people.Please remember that thousands upon thousands of Cypriot children have some connection with Englqand , my own family can boast of over 20 children with Greek Cypriot heritage but also English ancestors. We have a laugh and a joke and I proudly tell them" This comes from the Greek word ,....." .But I promise you I never told them to hate the 18% of my compatriots who breathed the same air, endured the hot and clummy weather as I did. I can honestly say , I have some wonderful , loving , decent friends that were born Turkish on my Paradise Island of Cyprus.

[Piratis]

miltiades, I have many relatives in the UK as well. I have nothing against British people as a whole. I simply criticize the views of people in relation to the Cyprus Problem. If some of them generalize in some way like this: "some GCs at some time ago did some crimes. So now your whole race deserve to be burned in hell for eternity", then I simply remind them 1) That they can not convict a whole race because of the actions of a few several decades ago 2) That if they insist in making such associations then they should make it for everyone, not selectively only for GCs.

[StuartN]

and of course

""some TCs at some time ago did some crimes. So now your whole race deserve to be burned in hell for eternity", then I simply remind them 1) That they can not convict a whole race because of the actions of a few several decades ago 2) That if they insist in making such associations then they should make it for everyone, not selectively only for TCs."

I'm sure you meant this aswell.