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ROC Governments Property Liabilities

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Postby Kifeas » Thu May 04, 2006 8:36 am

Kikapu wrote:Just a question on was written in the paper. Is it to my understanding that the return of property/compensation claims by the TCs from ROC is because ROC has to fulfill it's obligations under the EU regulations on human rights and the rest. Since the ROC chose to go into EU alone without the TCc by voting NO, on the re-unification referendum, and being the only recognised government, it can then be legally sued by thy TCs. Had the vote was a YES on the reunification, then the TRNC would also had to comply by the


If both communities had voted yes to the Annan plan, then both the RoC and the "TRNC" would have been dissolved and a new state of affairs would have replaced them. "TRNC" is anyway a non-existing entity by international law, that is why I said that Turkey owes the G/C community and not the "TRNC."

The fact that the RoC became a member of the EU is largely irrelevant, when it comes down to honouring its obligations towards it citizens. Even before the RoC became an EU member, the obligations towards its own citizens were still valid and perfectly enforceable through the ECHRs, as they are now after EU entry. Nothing has changed on the legal status of all such matters due to RoC EU accession, or due to the rejection of the Annan plan by the G/C community.
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Postby Kikapu » Thu May 04, 2006 8:46 am

Kifeas,

Thanks for the info. Now what do I do with bunch of deeds for land in the ROC area my mother showed me recently.? How big is 1 Donum anyway in sq feet or sq meters. Thanks.
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Postby Kifeas » Thu May 04, 2006 9:05 am

Kikapu wrote:Kifeas,

Thanks for the info. Now what do I do with bunch of deeds for land in the ROC area my mother showed me recently.? How big is 1 Donum anyway in sq feet or sq meters. Thanks.


1 Cypriot Donum (Dunum) equals to 1,338 sq. meters, or 14,400 sq. feet, or 0.1338 hectares. It is approximately equal to two large residential urban plots.

Where is your property situated in Cyprus and how large is it?
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Postby andri_cy » Thu May 04, 2006 9:26 am

3 dunums equal an acre
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Postby stuballstu » Thu May 04, 2006 9:42 am

If the sums on the article are shown to be correct who is expected, ultimately to pay for it? The tax payer of course. It would not be good for the economy for Cyprus as taxes would go up, as would prices, tourism would be hit hard there would be a negative affect on house prices.

Regardless of the sums of money to be paid out, Turkey's affordability is much higher than that of the ROC. Maybe looking at it just from a financial aspect the next round of talks which lead to unification have just taken a completely different dimention. Can the ROC afford such amounts of money?

Another reason to add to the list as to why a settlement must be reached sooner rather than later.
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Postby Kikapu » Thu May 04, 2006 9:52 am

Kifeas wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Kifeas,

Thanks for the info. Now what do I do with bunch of deeds for land in the ROC area my mother showed me recently.? How big is 1 Donum anyway in sq feet or sq meters. Thanks.


1 Cypriot Donum (Dunum) equals to 1,338 sq. meters, or 14,400 sq. feet, or 0.1338 hectares. It is approximately equal to two large residential urban plots.

Where is your property situated in Cyprus and how large is it?


Kifeas,
My mother is from the town called AVAVHIOU, so I belive it's from that area. I don't have the deeds in front of me , but next time I'm in London, I'll take note of the size of the land. She has several deeds. They may be only small plots of farm land for all I know.
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Postby Kifeas » Thu May 04, 2006 9:57 am

stuballstu wrote:If the sums on the article are shown to be correct who is expected, ultimately to pay for it? The tax payer of course. It would not be good for the economy for Cyprus as taxes would go up, as would prices, tourism would be hit hard there would be a negative affect on house prices.

Regardless of the sums of money to be paid out, Turkey's affordability is much higher than that of the ROC. Maybe looking at it just from a financial aspect the next round of talks which lead to unification have just taken a completely different dimention. Can the ROC afford such amounts of money?

Another reason to add to the list as to why a settlement must be reached sooner rather than later.


Turkey can pay us the 7 billion and shift the remaining 1 to the T/C community, and let everybody go back to their original properties. After all, the present chaos in relation to properties is due to Turkey's invasion and occupation of the north, and the expulsion of the G/Cs from their properties in the north.
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Postby Kifeas » Thu May 04, 2006 10:00 am

Kikapu wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Kifeas,

Thanks for the info. Now what do I do with bunch of deeds for land in the ROC area my mother showed me recently.? How big is 1 Donum anyway in sq feet or sq meters. Thanks.


1 Cypriot Donum (Dunum) equals to 1,338 sq. meters, or 14,400 sq. feet, or 0.1338 hectares. It is approximately equal to two large residential urban plots.

Where is your property situated in Cyprus and how large is it?


Kifeas,
My mother is from the town called AVAVHIOU, so I belive it's from that area. I don't have the deeds in front of me , but next time I'm in London, I'll take note of the size of the land. She has several deeds. They may be only small plots of farm land for all I know.


There is no town, nor a vilage in Cyprus called by that name. Which district is it? Could it be Avdhimou village near Limassol?
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Postby Kikapu » Thu May 04, 2006 10:09 am

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There is no town, nor a vilage in Cyprus called by that name. Which district is it? Could it be Avdhimou village near Limassol?[/quote]

Kifeas,

You got me, thats the name I was given long time ago, but will look into it later. Thanks for all the info.
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Postby theresa » Thu May 04, 2006 12:30 pm

Greekcypriotgirl, I have never heard a Turkish Cypriot say they want to keep the property (GC) they were allocated after 74 AND have their original property in the south! A lot of them are settled here now and have abandoned any plan to return to their original homes, also there the TRNC goverment have set up a system here for property claims to be dealt with in Cyprus rather than the EU courts, but there is a rumour (is it a rumour??) going round that any GC applying will be in trouble with the ROC goverment and face imprisonment because they are in effect "recognising" the TRNC courts as legal. A bit of a catch 22 situation eh?
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