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[Kifeas]

Mr. Talat in an interview that gave yesterday 24/04 on the occasion of commemorating the 2nd anniversary of the T/C “YES” to the Annan plan, has said that he is ready to renegotiate a solution on the basis of a new plan and from ground zero, i.e. negotiations that will cover all aspects in a comprehensive solution, provided that there should be reasonable time frames and not negotiations for another 30 years (I doubt we ever negotiated for more than 30 days during the previous 30 years, thanks to fascist-socialist Ecevit and chief kemalist Rauf bey, but this alone is another story all together.)

Nevertheless, I personally find the above comments on behalf of Mr. Talat extremely positive, helpful and promising. I just hope he got the permission from the fascist /nationalist /kemalist /gangster regime in Turkey to speak in this way, or even better, I hope he finally decided to tell them f*** o**!

[Rude Gal]

Do you know Kifeas, I have often had the same negative sentiments

fascist /nationalist /gangster regime

about the GC side. Just goes to show how different perspectives affect our view of the same problem.

I agree that Pres. Talat's statement today was very positive and lots of food for thought for GC side - if they genuinely want a settlement, they need to start showing it, anything less is a massive let down to everyone in Cyprus.

[andri_cy]

Thats a step forward to the right direction. Lets hope our side responds in the same way.

[Kifeas]

Thats a step forward to the right direction. Lets hope our side responds in the same way.

It is a step to the right direction on the part of Mr. Talat, because so far he used to say that he only accepts the Annan plan, perhaps with only some decorative changes. The G/C side has already made itself clear that is willing to negotiate any solution proposals on the basis of a BBF, as long as they take into consideration the UN resolutions, international legality, internationally accepted human rights norms and principles and relevant court decisions, and the values and principles on which the EU was founded, and this is also the official EU policy on the solution of the Cyprus problem. If the UN are ready to prepare a revised plan which will take the above parameters into consideration, then we are ready any moment to start negotiating on its basis.

[Bananiot]

I hear Tassos speeding to see Talat and start negotiations ...

[Rude Gal]

[quote="Kifeas"][quote="andri_cy"]The G/C side has already made itself clear that is willing to negotiate any solution proposals on the basis of a BBF, as long as they take into consideration the UN resolutions, international legality, internationally accepted human rights norms and principles and relevant court decisions, and the values and principles on which the EU was founded, and this is also the official EU policy on the solution of the Cyprus problem.[/quote] I thought that's what the Annan Plan was? What will be the main differences in any new plan?

For me, this is just the GC stalling for more time to try & extract more unfair concessions from TC side (batter down the weaker, embargo-enduring side even more, get Turkey in corner over EU, then go back in with same plan but more on GC terms). It won't work...

[Kifeas]

The G/C side has already made itself clear that is willing to negotiate any solution proposals on the basis of a BBF, as long as they take into consideration the UN resolutions, international legality, internationally accepted human rights norms and principles and relevant court decisions, and the values and principles on which the EU was founded, and this is also the official EU policy on the solution of the Cyprus problem.

I thought that's what the Annan Plan was? What will be the main differences in any new plan?

Then you thought the wrong thing!

For me, this is just the GC stalling for more time to try & extract more unfair concessions from TC side (batter down the weaker, embargo-enduring side even more, get Turkey in corner over EU, then go back in with same plan but more on GC terms). It won't work...

If you do not support a solution that will be based and thus create a country based on UN resolutions, international legality, internationally accepted human rights norms and principles and relevant court decisions, and the values and principles on which the EU was founded, then you are supporting a solution for the creation of a country that will be based on the outcome of arbitrary power politics, only because this is what suits your megalomaniac Turkish nationalist aspirations and dreams.

You are like an individual that wants to live in a country and enjoy every right and privilege, but at the same time you claim that the laws of this country should not apply for you, simply because you would like to act and behave in an arbitrary manner and do what ever you like for your own interests. The same holds for any country that claims not to want to abide by international legality and fundamental internationally established human rights and democratic principles. Only those countries and people that have something to hide, are the ones afraid and /or despise international and UN principles and legality!

[Rude Gal]

K, I do support that the above principals are the only way to find a solution. I'm just struggling to register what will be so different post Annan, given GC side says committed to BBF, etc etc...I notice you failed to focus on that. Is that because you are none the wiser too? Like I said, for me this is jus a GC stalling tactic.

[Kifeas]

K, I do support that the above principals are the only way to find a solution. I'm just struggling to register what will be so different post Annan, given GC side says committed to BBF, etc etc...I notice you failed to focus on that. Is that because you are none the wiser too? Like I said, for me this is jus a GC stalling tactic.

RG, you only have to take and read the UN charter, the UN SC resolutions on Cyprus, the CoE human rights and fundamental freedoms protocols, the Human rights and freedoms EU values, the EU member state political rights and status and th ECHR decisions relating to Cyprus, and then compare them with the Annan plan.

For example, according to the UN charter and the EU aqui, every member state (like Cyprus is fro both the above organisations,) should enjoy have respected its sovereignty and political independence. According to the UN charter, no country should have the right to unilaterally intervene in the internal affairs and sovereignty of another country, without prior UN SC approval and authorisation (as and if it will determined by the UN SC itself and alone.) How does this compare with the provision for the permanent and eternal presence and intervention "rights" of foreign (Turkish, Greek, British) troops in Cyprus, as it was envisioned in the Annan plan?

This is just one of the many examples and cases in which the Annan plan failed. The plan failed in many ways regarding the proper respect and protection of the Cypriots (mostly G/Cs) fundamental human rights (rights to their properties, freedom of settlement and association, business and professional rights in all parts of their country, etc.) It also failed in respecting the G/C fundamental cultural and political rights in all parts of their country (i.e. in the north T/C component state.) Do you know for example that if a G/C in the north (T/C state) of his country, would wish to run for any political post there –after obtaining residency rights, would have been obliged to take an oath in the name of Kemal Ataturk’s principles? Why should I be obliged -should I want to go and permanently live in my ancestral part of my country (Kyrenia,) to take an oath in the name of Ataturk -a person relating to the national independence of another country, outside my cultural interests, if I want to actively engage in the political affairs of the place of my residency? Also, I wouldn’t be allowed to fully exercise my own language rights in a part of my country in which my ancestors lived and existed and did practice this language, for thousands of years before?

My rights status as a Greek speaking Cypriot that would wish to go and live in the north part of my country would be very similar to the stats of the Kurds in Turkey regarding their cultural rights, something which no G/C will ever accept and /or tolerate. Did you study the T/C CS’s separate constitution under the Annan plan?

Bananiot voted for this plan because he had no problem Turkifying himself if he would want to go and live in his village in the north, but he is part of a very tiny minority among the G/Cs.

[lysi]

Talat is just playing for time, the occupation regime want to look good to the EU, they want the EU to belive that they are taking steps to find a settlement.
It is the turkish cypriot paymaster Turkey that pulls the strings in the occupied areas. Talat is just a puppet leader for Turkey.